the biggest problem with a search engine God is all you get is advertizement that say "give me your money. Now!" come to think of it that seems to be like a lot of churches today..
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:51 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
Faith is in the measure of balance, I haven't considered it of much value until I saw the apple fall many times and by the time it hit the ground it hadn't left the branch and I came to understand why I wouldn't accept the certainty of things. One door opened and it wasn't one of the thousands of thoughts racing around the labyrinth. For me, now that I know just a tiny bit I am more willing to appreciate the principles behind the classic apple and TANSTAAFL (which holds few surprises), a little less bound to patient resignation. The form of my understanding may be nonsense but for what it's worth neither position has been precluded. A subjective position for your consideration.
On 7/1/2013 5:10 AM, Allan H wrote:
lol heaven is what you make it ..one persons heaven could be someones elses hell and vice verse
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:50 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
Heaven and Hell are here only , Allan ,and it is your good luck if
you escape the hell and enjoy the heaven.
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com<mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
the laws of nature apply whether you know of them or not, the
same applies to man's body.. now the only guide line the soul
needs to follow is 'do no harm' but that can easily be
broken.. now when your soul returns to it's natural realm how
well it did in its humanize form that is another question.. you will find out your test results later RP
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:23 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com<mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
Apples were falling to the ground from the beginning ,
only man took it for granted and never thought that it was
following laws of nature until Newton applied his mind and
discovered the law of gravity.Similarly , Allan , man's
will follows laws of Nature all the time but these very
laws have not yet been discovered by man.
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Allan H<allanh1946@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
RP an apple does not have free will it is bound to the
laws of nature.. you ae not bound to these laws you
have choice.
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:03 PM, RP Singh<1234rp@gmail.com <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
It is from unconscious Nature that all proceeds in
a chain , one leading to another.' Will' is just
as free as the apple falling from the tree.
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Allan H
<allanh1946@gmail.com<nwterry@gmail.com <mailto:nwterry@gmail.com>><mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't think God knows every thing that will
happen.. that would create pre-destiny and
that would eliminate the nature of free
will.. Free will is an important part of this
exam our souls are involved in by taking the
life exam. You have to be able to chose your
own solutions to the problems life puts before
you.
I do find the computer idea interesting.. and
an interesting way of putting it.. as the
economy .. as for over size institutions..
well maybe the Canadians have it right by over
regulating them.. there economy has not gone
through the bubble and bursts that all of our
economies have.. the US economy started the
down hill slid with Reaganomics and
deregulating the banks and Markets.. all that
did was open the doors for the greedy and
slimy souls to practice their ideas at the
expense of the population.. the proper name
for politicians, bankers and cawyers in the US
is "cockroach"
As for new or unique ideas I did see one the
other day.. (completely off topic -- yet watch
the video)
http://bgobeyond.com/
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM, archytas<mailto:minds-eye%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>.
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It is true this idea can't resist your
initial critique Allan. The metaphor is a
bit shaky and we have seen it before as
Laplace's Demon and its situation knowing
everything that has happened and
everything that will. The author's points
can be found at the link. They aren't
about god as any of us might consider
he/she/it.
Students make Francis' point all the time
- but they actually don't know 'how to
google' in any depth. Sites like Wiki and
the BBC have given them information that
satisfies teachers in schools, but they
rarely find all the information and very
little of the critique. The big mess
search engines throw up is pretty banal.
I'd no doubt produce more hits on a video
of Maxwell eating my dentures than a
listing of the details of my petrol from
air machine. I occasionally set questions
like 'find the earth's major energy source
and critically evaluate the efficiency of
the main processes that harness it' - this
is a question about the sun and such as
photosynthesis, but most seem not to know
this post-Google.
My own interest in this IT/IS question
concerns "finance". Finance has long had
a god-like quality in my thinking - if we
think of the kind of gods that would turn
any moral creature to Prometheus. Most of
us in here know the plot - we should build
safe homes for 2 billion people from
Tornado Alley, British flood plains and on
to Monsoon areas and so on. We should
take local-global catastrophe seriously
and even such matters as leaving the
planet or biological form longer term.
Instead we have finance acting as an
unquestioned god on how we organise
ourselves. There's a free PDF on the
finance curse here
-http://treasureislands.org/the-finance-curse-my-new-book/
Information systems are potentially a way
to free us from the finance gods without
replacing them by State capitalism.
Currently they give us more reason to
worry about yet more intrusion into our
lives by the powerful. We have problems
conceptualising in areas like this because
terms like "transparency" are both good
and bad.
On Saturday, 29 June 2013 21:57:58 UTC+1,
archytas wrote:
If God did not exist – people would
invent one! The development of
human civilization requires mechanisms
promoting cooperation and
social order. One of these mechanisms
is based on the idea that
everything we do is seen and judged by
God – bad deeds will be
punished, while good ones will be
rewarded (or was this Santa?). The
Information Age has
now fueled the dream that God-like
omniscience and omnipotence can
be created by man.
This is an interesting way of thinking
about information systems - full free
paper at
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1304/1304.3271.pdf
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