Re: Mind's Eye Re: Heaven & Hell -- awareness

I think Gabby was pointing out how helpful my reply wasn't. :p Our
fearless leader seems to have good sense on these matters, it seems
mortals are left wondering whether the theories are real in any manner
or some mathematician's wet dream. I consider your question valid either
way Allan. The Real Nanook was the one I accused of hocking his books on
the forum over a year ago, not meant seriously, his writing was actually
enjoyable and interesting.

Back to the topic, multiverse theory was awaiting more proof or
speculative but I could be outdated on that. I was hoping to draw Neil
back and let you know you're not alone with curiosity/confusion. :)

On 8/19/2013 4:05 PM, Allan H wrote:
>
> [ ¿ ] i believe it indicates a question.. Sn open question that could
> be ¿ anything? Gabby anything is a great answer
>
> The truth is I have no idea what is there or what it is or what to
> look or what to look for.
>
> I know it is a crazy question, ,, I do expect answers ※ don't always
> like the answers > > > but the answers do come...
>
> (
> )
> [_D Do No Harm
> via mobile
>
> On Aug 19, 2013 9:13 PM, "gabbydott" <gabbydott@gmail.com
> <mailto:gabbydott@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> 'something' in a question turns out to become totally 'anything'.
> Right, Allan?
>
>
> 2013/8/19 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>>
>
> I don't remember nanook's ideas. My memory is about as good as
> a short pencil, but then I keep forgetting to index
> everything. Maybe that is because I don't understand
> indexing,, just seems to evade me.
>
> There is just ¿ something ? There that is not understood.
> Well all understanding begins with a question.
>
> Ah the ¿Totality? That is the question.
>
> On Aug 19, 2013 2:15 AM, "James" <ashkashal@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You're not the only one who has trouble with that one
> Allan. It isn't clear to me whether physicists mean that
> the universe expands into absolute nothingness, potential
> non-space or just a boundary of any sensible mathematics
> today. The distinction between parallel and otherwise
> universes also seems a very corporeal perspective. And the
> idea that something can expand (in totality) and have
> dimension while lacking any center or general radial
> origin seems to me utter nonsense. Coming out and saying
> whether we have reasonably established the actuality or
> just have not been able to measure enough to know more are
> two very different things. Sorry to add more confusion, I
> can be hard headed. I was rather enjoying that Nanook
> fellow's ideas, come to think of it someone probably
> already explained all this, in which case you and I have
> rather bad memory Allan. :)
>
> On 8/19/2013 3:24 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
>
> Lol there in lies the problem. There is something a
> vacant area..
> Our universe is expanding into this none existent
> vacant space..
>
> It is expanding into something.
>
> On Aug 18, 2013 8:27 PM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> " The Parallels " are not like layers of an onion
> they are
> dimensions. Space is not a permanent thing , it
> comes , grows and
> goes with the universe. Space being a dimension
> parallel universes
> don't overlap each other and are not adjacent to
> each other as
> there is no space outside an universe.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Allan H
> <allanh1946@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Interesting RP your parallel concept sounds
> like layers of an
> onion. Not the concept is bad but to me it
> seems terribly
> limited in time and space
>
> On Aug 18, 2013 2:18 AM, "RP Singh"
> <1234rp@gmail.com <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> There are layers of space in which
> parallel universes
> would be possible , infinite universes in
> infinite layers.
> Our universe is expanding not into space
> outside it ,
> rather as it expands space is created. All
> this is
> hypotheses , drawn not from observation
> but logical
> conclusions.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Allan H
> <allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> even between parallel there is space
> even though we
> are not able to measure it there is
> space...with out
> space parallel universes can not exist
> .... and by
> observation our universe is spherical
> and beyond the
> edge of the sphere it is knowing to be
> expanding into
> some type of undefined space or it
> would not be able
> to expand..
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM, RP Singh
> <1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> There is no space between
> universes , rather space
> is a part of an universe.
> Universes don't exist in
> series but in parallel and there
> are infinite
> universes in parallel.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:08 AM,
> Allan H
> <allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> what is bugging me is the
> (space between)
> universes ... . . . ... took
> me along time to
> to wrap my mind around the
> possibility of
> more than one universe. it is
> the space
> between universes that
> secrets really are..
> ideas and concepts beyond
> reality.. timeless
> time.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:29
> AM, Molly
> <mollyb363@gmail.com
> <mailto:mollyb363@gmail.com>
> <mailto:mollyb363@gmail.com
> <mailto:mollyb363@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately,
> misunderstood genius is not
> uncommon and sometimes
> tragic, especially
> for a child as they long
> for understanding
> and loving touch. Many
> proponents of
> science believe that the
> universe is
> mental, and that mind is
> all. My inner
> experience tells me that
> there is much
> more that opens to me when
> mind is quiet
> and allows experience to
> go beyond mental
> construct. Historically,
> this has been
> explained by the yogi and
> sufi to much
> skepticism by the rest of
> the world.
> Modern scientific
> exploration into areas
> of telepathy, bi-location,
> vortex based
> transportation, remote
> healing and remote
> viewing cover some of the
> same ground but
> end with little that is
> considered
> scientific data because of
> the very nature
> of the subject and
> difficulty measuring
> results other than body
> response. It does
> not mean that any of the
> current discovery
> process should stop or
> change. It means
> that each of us discovers
> life in their
> own way, from their own
> view, and in their
> own time. Together, we
> share the
> discovery and the power of
> community is
> truly awesome.
>
> Science allows us to
> measure in terms of
> cause and effect, time and
> space. Surely,
> this is all integral to
> life. But there
> is much more which is,
> IMHO, well worth
> the view. Most assign this
> realm to faith.
> I think that is because
> it can be beyond
> words or measure.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 17,
> 2013 12:14:56 AM
> UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> I'm a little stuck
> with the science
> part RP, much of it is
> intuitive and
> practical for
> developing reliable
> representations of reality but I have
> learned to be wary of
> potentially
> misleading conclusions and
> constructions of
> reality. Sequences of
> events can quickly be
> confounding
> but get clearer with
> some forward and
> reverse scouting for
> missing
> lines, the results are
> pretty reliable
> antecedents and
> consequents. I
> can't say when I
> learned this but it
> started in my first
> four years
> along with knowledge
> similar to what
> Don has said on
> meaning (my
> usefulness was watch,
> wait and
> protect). I think that
> the brain can make
> amazing adaptions to a
> person's
> earliest environments
> with exceptional
> and quirky effects,
> people can make
> leaps, perhaps there
> is an imbalance
> in favor of the lucky
> few leaps that
> live to tell their
> story (heh).
> Watching and waiting
> doesn't make for
> an exciting story. But
> things that
> I've seen have been,
> from looking at
> things for long
> periods and making
> cities when people
> said 'there is
> something wrong with
> the boy' he was
> absorbing deeper
> structures in a rock
> or patterns in plants
> and could
> drop it in ten seconds
> or ten minutes
> to go create a world
> in the dirt
> consisting of people
> working together
> to make the world, as
> opposed to a
> world that seemed at
> the mercy of
> ignorant and rapacious
> elements
> tearing it apart. So I
> think my
> delusions started
> there, especially the
> dreams that have
> replayed like we are
> living in a story
> already written
> and played out.
> Thousands of
> occurences like that
> still amount to
> nothing scientific in
> the least,
> except the reliability
> and diversity of
> types (that was not
> the most common
> example, it will have
> to suffice for
> this exercise).
> Stopping to
> interrogate my
> instincts and check what
> trails identify the
> current spot has
> become routine, but
> there has been
> no explanation or
> meaning. So it is a
> continuing mystery.
>
> How would one proceed
> scientifically
> on something seemingly
> impossible
> to explain?
>
> I mean that from a
> long history of
> suffering because of
> it. Most of what
> I know has a cost,
> even with a bit or
> resistance there is
> little choice
> in it even if there
> seems to be no
> place for it. Imagine
> the dilemma if
> you had no choice but
> to take
> something like that
> seriously, for the
> sake of exercise.
>
> On 8/10/2013 10:46 AM,
> RP Singh wrote:
> > Mardi , whatever you
> are saying
> about re-evaluation is
> conjecture and
> > imagination without
> logical
> foundation , it is
> just a belief system
> > based on faith in
> some schools of
> thought and has no
> scientific basis.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2013
> at 8:03 PM,
> Mardi
> <mardi...@gmail.com <mailto:mardi...@gmail.com>
> >
> <mailto:mardi...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mardi...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Allan, there are
> many different
> wonderful traditional
> teachings
> > about the soul,
> the essence of
> our humanity, some
> also speak of
> > spirit or the
> psyche. So many
> beautiful ideas. And
> the simple
> > guideline of "do no
> harm" is not
> only elegantly to the
> point but
> > is also worth a
> lot of thought.
> We could go into long
> > conversations about
> what is harm,
> how we can avoid doing
> harm, etc.
> >
> > Of course there
> are things which
> harm everyone. Yet so
> often we
> > try to
> rationalize why I should
> be able to do this or
> that which
> > pleases me or
> benefits me and not
> think about the
> distant harm
> > that is causing
> to possibly many
> many people. Then
> there is the
> > thought that what
> harms one person
> does not harm another.
> So we
> > must spend time
> to know each
> person we interact
> with to find what
> > harms them. And
> so many other
> ideas and questions
> related to this
> > very simple idea
> of "do no harm"
> >
> > And I totally
> agree that our
> awareness evolves,
> affecting our
> > beliefs, our
> motivations, our
> actions. And I do
> think that our
> > souls leave this
> body and
> experience an
> intensive period of
> > evaluation of our
> total life and its
> effects and consequences.
> > That can feel
> like heaven or
> like hell but it
> pushes us into
> > another life with a
> greater
> awareness and more
> evolved understanding.
> >
> > To me heaven and
> hell are these
> periods of
> re-evaluation before we
> > return to this life
> in a new body
> and new family,
> culture, place
> > to try again
> with a little more
> awareness from our
> previous life.
> > For some at one
> end of the
> spectrum, who have
> spent their life in
> > knowingly causing
> harm, the
> re-evaluation will be
> pretty awful and
> > the awareness
> may change only
> slightly. For some at
> the other end
> > of the spectrum
> who have
> consciously spent
> their life in trying to
> > live doing no
> harm, the
> re-evaluation period
> is a wonderful
> > experience of
> realizing the greater
> understanding and
> awareness
> > they gained in
> the past life and
> eagerly enter a new
> life to learn
> > and evolve more.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday,
> August 9, 2013
> 4:08:35 PM UTC-4,
> Allan Heretic wrote:
> >
> > I can not
> help but takein
> normal & tradtional
> teachings. I
> > believe very much in
> the guideline
> "Do No Harm" There are
> > souls running around
> causing great
> harm..
> >
> > Oh yeah since you
> were gone. . My
> beliefs evolved to we are
> > souls that have a
> body and the
> 'Soul' is wgat guides and
> > controls the body..
> not the vis a
> versa that has been handed
> > down through the
> generations.
> >
> > Souls Rule!
> >
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