Re: Mind's Eye Re: Heaven & Hell -- awareness

You're not the only one who has trouble with that one Allan. It isn't
clear to me whether physicists mean that the universe expands into
absolute nothingness, potential non-space or just a boundary of any
sensible mathematics today. The distinction between parallel and
otherwise universes also seems a very corporeal perspective. And the
idea that something can expand (in totality) and have dimension while
lacking any center or general radial origin seems to me utter nonsense.
Coming out and saying whether we have reasonably established the
actuality or just have not been able to measure enough to know more are
two very different things. Sorry to add more confusion, I can be hard
headed. I was rather enjoying that Nanook fellow's ideas, come to think
of it someone probably already explained all this, in which case you and
I have rather bad memory Allan. :)

On 8/19/2013 3:24 AM, Allan H wrote:
>
> Lol there in lies the problem. There is something a vacant area..
> Our universe is expanding into this none existent vacant space..
>
> It is expanding into something.
>
> On Aug 18, 2013 8:27 PM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> " The Parallels " are not like layers of an onion they are
> dimensions. Space is not a permanent thing , it comes , grows and
> goes with the universe. Space being a dimension parallel universes
> don't overlap each other and are not adjacent to each other as
> there is no space outside an universe.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Interesting RP your parallel concept sounds like layers of an
> onion. Not the concept is bad but to me it seems terribly
> limited in time and space
>
> On Aug 18, 2013 2:18 AM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com
> <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There are layers of space in which parallel universes
> would be possible , infinite universes in infinite layers.
> Our universe is expanding not into space outside it ,
> rather as it expands space is created. All this is
> hypotheses , drawn not from observation but logical
> conclusions.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Allan H
> <allanh1946@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> even between parallel there is space even though we
> are not able to measure it there is space...with out
> space parallel universes can not exist .... and by
> observation our universe is spherical and beyond the
> edge of the sphere it is knowing to be expanding into
> some type of undefined space or it would not be able
> to expand..
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM, RP Singh
> <1234rp@gmail.com <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> There is no space between universes , rather space
> is a part of an universe. Universes don't exist in
> series but in parallel and there are infinite
> universes in parallel.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Allan H
> <allanh1946@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> what is bugging me is the (space between)
> universes ... . . . ... took me along time to
> to wrap my mind around the possibility of
> more than one universe. it is the space
> between universes that secrets really are..
> ideas and concepts beyond reality.. timeless
> time.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Molly
> <mollyb363@gmail.com
> <mailto:mollyb363@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, misunderstood genius is not
> uncommon and sometimes tragic, especially
> for a child as they long for understanding
> and loving touch. Many proponents of
> science believe that the universe is
> mental, and that mind is all. My inner
> experience tells me that there is much
> more that opens to me when mind is quiet
> and allows experience to go beyond mental
> construct. Historically, this has been
> explained by the yogi and sufi to much
> skepticism by the rest of the world.
> Modern scientific exploration into areas
> of telepathy, bi-location, vortex based
> transportation, remote healing and remote
> viewing cover some of the same ground but
> end with little that is considered
> scientific data because of the very nature
> of the subject and difficulty measuring
> results other than body response. It does
> not mean that any of the current discovery
> process should stop or change. It means
> that each of us discovers life in their
> own way, from their own view, and in their
> own time. Together, we share the
> discovery and the power of community is
> truly awesome.
>
> Science allows us to measure in terms of
> cause and effect, time and space. Surely,
> this is all integral to life. But there
> is much more which is, IMHO, well worth
> the view. Most assign this realm to faith.
> I think that is because it can be beyond
> words or measure.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:14:56 AM
> UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> I'm a little stuck with the science
> part RP, much of it is intuitive and
> practical for developing reliable
> representations of reality but I have
> learned to be wary of potentially
> misleading conclusions and
> constructions of reality. Sequences of
> events can quickly be confounding
> but get clearer with some forward and
> reverse scouting for missing
> lines, the results are pretty reliable
> antecedents and consequents. I
> can't say when I learned this but it
> started in my first four years
> along with knowledge similar to what
> Don has said on meaning (my
> usefulness was watch, wait and
> protect). I think that the brain can make
> amazing adaptions to a person's
> earliest environments with exceptional
> and quirky effects, people can make
> leaps, perhaps there is an imbalance
> in favor of the lucky few leaps that
> live to tell their story (heh).
> Watching and waiting doesn't make for
> an exciting story. But things that
> I've seen have been, from looking at
> things for long periods and making
> cities when people said 'there is
> something wrong with the boy' he was
> absorbing deeper structures in a rock
> or patterns in plants and could
> drop it in ten seconds or ten minutes
> to go create a world in the dirt
> consisting of people working together
> to make the world, as opposed to a
> world that seemed at the mercy of
> ignorant and rapacious elements
> tearing it apart. So I think my
> delusions started there, especially the
> dreams that have replayed like we are
> living in a story already written
> and played out. Thousands of
> occurences like that still amount to
> nothing scientific in the least,
> except the reliability and diversity of
> types (that was not the most common
> example, it will have to suffice for
> this exercise). Stopping to
> interrogate my instincts and check what
> trails identify the current spot has
> become routine, but there has been
> no explanation or meaning. So it is a
> continuing mystery.
>
> How would one proceed scientifically
> on something seemingly impossible
> to explain?
>
> I mean that from a long history of
> suffering because of it. Most of what
> I know has a cost, even with a bit or
> resistance there is little choice
> in it even if there seems to be no
> place for it. Imagine the dilemma if
> you had no choice but to take
> something like that seriously, for the
> sake of exercise.
>
> On 8/10/2013 10:46 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> > Mardi , whatever you are saying
> about re-evaluation is conjecture and
> > imagination without logical
> foundation , it is just a belief system
> > based on faith in some schools of
> thought and has no scientific basis.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:03 PM,
> Mardi <mardi...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:mardi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Allan, there are many different
> wonderful traditional teachings
> > about the soul, the essence of
> our humanity, some also speak of
> > spirit or the psyche. So many
> beautiful ideas. And the simple
> > guideline of "do no harm" is not
> only elegantly to the point but
> > is also worth a lot of thought.
> We could go into long
> > conversations about what is harm,
> how we can avoid doing harm, etc.
> >
> > Of course there are things which
> harm everyone. Yet so often we
> > try to rationalize why I should
> be able to do this or that which
> > pleases me or benefits me and not
> think about the distant harm
> > that is causing to possibly many
> many people. Then there is the
> > thought that what harms one person
> does not harm another. So we
> > must spend time to know each
> person we interact with to find what
> > harms them. And so many other
> ideas and questions related to this
> > very simple idea of "do no harm"
> >
> > And I totally agree that our
> awareness evolves, affecting our
> > beliefs, our motivations, our
> actions. And I do think that our
> > souls leave this body and
> experience an intensive period of
> > evaluation of our total life and its
> effects and consequences.
> > That can feel like heaven or
> like hell but it pushes us into
> > another life with a greater
> awareness and more evolved understanding.
> >
> > To me heaven and hell are these
> periods of re-evaluation before we
> > return to this life in a new body
> and new family, culture, place
> > to try again with a little more
> awareness from our previous life.
> > For some at one end of the
> spectrum, who have spent their life in
> > knowingly causing harm, the
> re-evaluation will be pretty awful and
> > the awareness may change only
> slightly. For some at the other end
> > of the spectrum who have
> consciously spent their life in trying to
> > live doing no harm, the
> re-evaluation period is a wonderful
> > experience of realizing the greater
> understanding and awareness
> > they gained in the past life and
> eagerly enter a new life to learn
> > and evolve more.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, August 9, 2013
> 4:08:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
> >
> > I can not help but takein
> normal & tradtional teachings. I
> > believe very much in the guideline
> "Do No Harm" There are
> > souls running around causing great
> harm..
> >
> > Oh yeah since you were gone. . My
> beliefs evolved to we are
> > souls that have a body and the
> 'Soul' is wgat guides and
> > controls the body.. not the vis a
> versa that has been handed
> > down through the generations.
> >
> > Souls Rule!
> >
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