'something' in a question turns out to become totally 'anything'. Right, Allan?
2013/8/19 Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com>
I don't remember nanook's ideas. My memory is about as good as a short pencil, but then I keep forgetting to index everything. Maybe that is because I don't understand indexing,, just seems to evade me.
There is just ¿ something ? There that is not understood. Well all understanding begins with a question.
Ah the ¿Totality? That is the question.
On Aug 19, 2013 2:15 AM, "James" <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:--You're not the only one who has trouble with that one Allan. It isn't clear to me whether physicists mean that the universe expands into absolute nothingness, potential non-space or just a boundary of any sensible mathematics today. The distinction between parallel and otherwise universes also seems a very corporeal perspective. And the idea that something can expand (in totality) and have dimension while lacking any center or general radial origin seems to me utter nonsense. Coming out and saying whether we have reasonably established the actuality or just have not been able to measure enough to know more are two very different things. Sorry to add more confusion, I can be hard headed. I was rather enjoying that Nanook fellow's ideas, come to think of it someone probably already explained all this, in which case you and I have rather bad memory Allan. :)
On 8/19/2013 3:24 AM, Allan H wrote:
Lol there in lies the problem. There is something a vacant area..
Our universe is expanding into this none existent vacant space..
It is expanding into something.
On Aug 18, 2013 8:27 PM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
" The Parallels " are not like layers of an onion they are
dimensions. Space is not a permanent thing , it comes , grows and
goes with the universe. Space being a dimension parallel universes
don't overlap each other and are not adjacent to each other as
there is no space outside an universe.
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com
<mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interesting RP your parallel concept sounds like layers of an
onion. Not the concept is bad but to me it seems terribly
limited in time and space
On Aug 18, 2013 2:18 AM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com
<mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
There are layers of space in which parallel universes
would be possible , infinite universes in infinite layers.
Our universe is expanding not into space outside it ,
rather as it expands space is created. All this is
hypotheses , drawn not from observation but logical
conclusions.
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Allan H
<allanh1946@gmail.com <mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
even between parallel there is space even though we
are not able to measure it there is space...with out
space parallel universes can not exist .... and by
observation our universe is spherical and beyond the
edge of the sphere it is knowing to be expanding into
some type of undefined space or it would not be able
to expand..
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM, RP Singh
<1234rp@gmail.com <mailto:1234rp@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is no space between universes , rather space
is a part of an universe. Universes don't exist in
series but in parallel and there are infinite
universes in parallel.
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Allan H
<allanh1946@gmail.com
<mailto:allanh1946@gmail.com>> wrote:
what is bugging me is the (space between)
universes ... . . . ... took me along time to
to wrap my mind around the possibility of
more than one universe. it is the space
between universes that secrets really are..
ideas and concepts beyond reality.. timeless
time.
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Molly
<mollyb363@gmail.com
<mailto:mollyb363@gmail.com>> wrote:
Unfortunately, misunderstood genius is not
uncommon and sometimes tragic, especially
for a child as they long for understanding
and loving touch. Many proponents of
science believe that the universe is
mental, and that mind is all. My inner
experience tells me that there is much
more that opens to me when mind is quiet
and allows experience to go beyond mental
construct. Historically, this has been
explained by the yogi and sufi to much
skepticism by the rest of the world.
Modern scientific exploration into areas
of telepathy, bi-location, vortex based
transportation, remote healing and remote
viewing cover some of the same ground but
end with little that is considered
scientific data because of the very nature
of the subject and difficulty measuring
results other than body response. It does
not mean that any of the current discovery
process should stop or change. It means
that each of us discovers life in their
own way, from their own view, and in their
own time. Together, we share the
discovery and the power of community is
truly awesome.
Science allows us to measure in terms of
cause and effect, time and space. Surely,
this is all integral to life. But there
is much more which is, IMHO, well worth
the view. Most assign this realm to faith.
I think that is because it can be beyond
words or measure.
On Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:14:56 AM
UTC-4, Ash wrote:
I'm a little stuck with the science
part RP, much of it is intuitive and
practical for developing reliable
representations of reality but I have
learned to be wary of potentially
misleading conclusions and
constructions of reality. Sequences of
events can quickly be confounding
but get clearer with some forward and
reverse scouting for missing
lines, the results are pretty reliable
antecedents and consequents. I
can't say when I learned this but it
started in my first four years
along with knowledge similar to what
Don has said on meaning (my
usefulness was watch, wait and
protect). I think that the brain can make
amazing adaptions to a person's
earliest environments with exceptional
and quirky effects, people can make
leaps, perhaps there is an imbalance
in favor of the lucky few leaps that
live to tell their story (heh).
Watching and waiting doesn't make for
an exciting story. But things that
I've seen have been, from looking at
things for long periods and making
cities when people said 'there is
something wrong with the boy' he was
absorbing deeper structures in a rock
or patterns in plants and could
drop it in ten seconds or ten minutes
to go create a world in the dirt
consisting of people working together
to make the world, as opposed to a
world that seemed at the mercy of
ignorant and rapacious elements
tearing it apart. So I think my
delusions started there, especially the
dreams that have replayed like we are
living in a story already written
and played out. Thousands of
occurences like that still amount to
nothing scientific in the least,
except the reliability and diversity of
types (that was not the most common
example, it will have to suffice for
this exercise). Stopping to
interrogate my instincts and check what
trails identify the current spot has
become routine, but there has been
no explanation or meaning. So it is a
continuing mystery.
How would one proceed scientifically
on something seemingly impossible
to explain?
I mean that from a long history of
suffering because of it. Most of what
I know has a cost, even with a bit or
resistance there is little choice
in it even if there seems to be no
place for it. Imagine the dilemma if
you had no choice but to take
something like that seriously, for the
sake of exercise.
On 8/10/2013 10:46 AM, RP Singh wrote:
> Mardi , whatever you are saying
about re-evaluation is conjecture and
> imagination without logical
foundation , it is just a belief system
> based on faith in some schools of
thought and has no scientific basis.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 8:03 PM,
Mardi <mardi...@gmail.com
> <mailto:mardi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Allan, there are many different
wonderful traditional teachings
> about the soul, the essence of
our humanity, some also speak of
> spirit or the psyche. So many
beautiful ideas. And the simple
> guideline of "do no harm" is not
only elegantly to the point but
> is also worth a lot of thought.
We could go into long
> conversations about what is harm,
how we can avoid doing harm, etc.
>
> Of course there are things which
harm everyone. Yet so often we
> try to rationalize why I should
be able to do this or that which
> pleases me or benefits me and not
think about the distant harm
> that is causing to possibly many
many people. Then there is the
> thought that what harms one person
does not harm another. So we
> must spend time to know each
person we interact with to find what
> harms them. And so many other
ideas and questions related to this
> very simple idea of "do no harm"
>
> And I totally agree that our
awareness evolves, affecting our
> beliefs, our motivations, our
actions. And I do think that our
> souls leave this body and
experience an intensive period of
> evaluation of our total life and its
effects and consequences.
> That can feel like heaven or
like hell but it pushes us into
> another life with a greater
awareness and more evolved understanding.
>
> To me heaven and hell are these
periods of re-evaluation before we
> return to this life in a new body
and new family, culture, place
> to try again with a little more
awareness from our previous life.
> For some at one end of the
spectrum, who have spent their life in
> knowingly causing harm, the
re-evaluation will be pretty awful and
> the awareness may change only
slightly. For some at the other end
> of the spectrum who have
consciously spent their life in trying to
> live doing no harm, the
re-evaluation period is a wonderful
> experience of realizing the greater
understanding and awareness
> they gained in the past life and
eagerly enter a new life to learn
> and evolve more.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2013
4:08:35 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> I can not help but takein
normal & tradtional teachings. I
> believe very much in the guideline
"Do No Harm" There are
> souls running around causing great
harm..
>
> Oh yeah since you were gone. . My
beliefs evolved to we are
> souls that have a body and the
'Soul' is wgat guides and
> controls the body.. not the vis a
versa that has been handed
> down through the generations.
>
> Souls Rule!
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