I have not heard from Pat in a long time.. have not been able to contact him through his publisher either.. or email. it would be interesting to have him elaborate ..
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
actually, he was a proponent of string theory, which is different. But I welcome the voice of Pat Harrington here and now to clarify his view.--
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:17:50 AM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:Pat didn't believe in parallel universes. , He believed in a series of universes one after the other. That is, when an universe became annihilated there followed a sequence of universes. Only one universe at a time.On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks James I remember now the book huckster I get easily tired of wanna be gurus..this question left me with a restless night of sleep. I am quite sure it the question is part of an on going search for an understanding of "God" I keep going over what occurred years ago and has always remain the same.. oddly a timeless situation..I believe our friend Pat Harrington (who I have not heard form in a long time)(any info about him appreciated) was a great fan of multi universe,, guess I will have to dig out his book.. I see it as possible but in truth it is of little interest.. now the void in between is of great interest..--On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM, James <ashk...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Gabby was pointing out how helpful my reply wasn't. :p Our fearless leader seems to have good sense on these matters, it seems mortals are left wondering whether the theories are real in any manner or some mathematician's wet dream. I consider your question valid either way Allan. The Real Nanook was the one I accused of hocking his books on the forum over a year ago, not meant seriously, his writing was actually enjoyable and interesting.
Back to the topic, multiverse theory was awaiting more proof or speculative but I could be outdated on that. I was hoping to draw Neil back and let you know you're not alone with curiosity/confusion. :)
On 8/19/2013 4:05 PM, Allan H wrote:
[ ¿ ] i believe it indicates a question.. Sn open question that could be ¿ anything? Gabby anything is a great answer
The truth is I have no idea what is there or what it is or what to look or what to look for.
I know it is a crazy question, ,, I do expect answers ※ don't always like the answers > > > but the answers do come...
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On Aug 19, 2013 9:13 PM, "gabbydott" <gabb...@gmail.com <mailto:gabb...@gmail.com>> wrote:2013/8/19 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com <mailto:allan...@gmail.com>>
'something' in a question turns out to become totally 'anything'.
Right, Allan?
I don't remember nanook's ideas. My memory is about as good as
a short pencil, but then I keep forgetting to index
everything. Maybe that is because I don't understand
indexing,, just seems to evade me.
There is just ¿ something ? There that is not understood. Well all understanding begins with a question.
Ah the ¿Totality? That is the question.
On Aug 19, 2013 2:15 AM, "James" <ashk...@gmail.com<mailto:ashk...@gmail.com>> wrote:<mailto:123...@gmail.com> <mailto:123...@gmail.com
You're not the only one who has trouble with that one
Allan. It isn't clear to me whether physicists mean that
the universe expands into absolute nothingness, potential
non-space or just a boundary of any sensible mathematics
today. The distinction between parallel and otherwise
universes also seems a very corporeal perspective. And the
idea that something can expand (in totality) and have
dimension while lacking any center or general radial
origin seems to me utter nonsense. Coming out and saying
whether we have reasonably established the actuality or
just have not been able to measure enough to know more are
two very different things. Sorry to add more confusion, I
can be hard headed. I was rather enjoying that Nanook
fellow's ideas, come to think of it someone probably
already explained all this, in which case you and I have
rather bad memory Allan. :)
On 8/19/2013 3:24 AM, Allan H wrote:
Lol there in lies the problem. There is something a
vacant area..
Our universe is expanding into this none existent
vacant space..
It is expanding into something.
On Aug 18, 2013 8:27 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com<mailto:allan...@gmail.com
<mailto:123...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
" The Parallels " are not like layers of an onion
they are
dimensions. Space is not a permanent thing , it
comes , grows and
goes with the universe. Space being a dimension
parallel universes
don't overlap each other and are not adjacent to
each other as
there is no space outside an universe.
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Allan H
<allan...@gmail.com <mailto:allan...@gmail.com><mailto:123...@gmail.com
<mailto:allan...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interesting RP your parallel concept sounds
like layers of an
onion. Not the concept is bad but to me it
seems terribly
limited in time and space
On Aug 18, 2013 2:18 AM, "RP Singh"
<123...@gmail.com <mailto:123...@gmail.com><mailto:allan...@gmail.com
<mailto:123...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
There are layers of space in which
parallel universes
would be possible , infinite universes in
infinite layers.
Our universe is expanding not into space
outside it ,
rather as it expands space is created. All
this is
hypotheses , drawn not from observation
but logical
conclusions.
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Allan H
<allan...@gmail.com
<mailto:allan...@gmail.com><mailto:123...@gmail.com> <mailto:123...@gmail.com
<mailto:allan...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
even between parallel there is space
even though we
are not able to measure it there is
space...with out
space parallel universes can not exist
.... and by
observation our universe is spherical
and beyond the
edge of the sphere it is knowing to be
expanding into
some type of undefined space or it
would not be able
to expand..
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM, RP Singh
<123...@gmail.com<mailto:allan...@gmail.com
<mailto:123...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
There is no space between
universes , rather space
is a part of an universe.
Universes don't exist in
series but in parallel and there
are infinite
universes in parallel.
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:08 AM,
Allan H
<allan...@gmail.com
<mailto:allan...@gmail.com><mailto:moll...@gmail.com
<mailto:allan...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
what is bugging me is the
(space between)
universes ... . . . ... took
me along time to
to wrap my mind around the
possibility of
more than one universe. it is
the space
between universes that
secrets really are..
ideas and concepts beyond
reality.. timeless
time.
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:29
AM, Molly
<moll...@gmail.com
<mailto:moll...@gmail.com><mailto:mardi...@gmail.com
<mailto:moll...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Unfortunately,
misunderstood genius is not
uncommon and sometimes
tragic, especially
for a child as they long
for understanding
and loving touch. Many
proponents of
science believe that the
universe is
mental, and that mind is
all. My inner
experience tells me that
there is much
more that opens to me when
mind is quiet
and allows experience to
go beyond mental
construct. Historically,
this has been
explained by the yogi and
sufi to much
skepticism by the rest of
the world.
Modern scientific
exploration into areas
of telepathy, bi-location,
vortex based
transportation, remote
healing and remote
viewing cover some of the
same ground but
end with little that is
considered
scientific data because of
the very nature
of the subject and
difficulty measuring
results other than body
response. It does
not mean that any of the
current discovery
process should stop or
change. It means
that each of us discovers
life in their
own way, from their own
view, and in their
own time. Together, we
share the
discovery and the power of
community is
truly awesome.
Science allows us to
measure in terms of
cause and effect, time and
space. Surely,
this is all integral to
life. But there
is much more which is,
IMHO, well worth
the view. Most assign this
realm to faith.
I think that is because
it can be beyond
words or measure.
On Saturday, August 17,
2013 12:14:56 AM
UTC-4, Ash wrote:
I'm a little stuck
with the science
part RP, much of it is
intuitive and
practical for
developing reliable
representations of reality but I have
learned to be wary of
potentially
misleading conclusions and
constructions of
reality. Sequences of
events can quickly be
confounding
but get clearer with
some forward and
reverse scouting for
missing
lines, the results are
pretty reliable
antecedents and
consequents. I
can't say when I
learned this but it
started in my first
four years
along with knowledge
similar to what
Don has said on
meaning (my
usefulness was watch,
wait and
protect). I think that
the brain can make
amazing adaptions to a
person's
earliest environments
with exceptional
and quirky effects,
people can make
leaps, perhaps there
is an imbalance
in favor of the lucky
few leaps that
live to tell their
story (heh).
Watching and waiting
doesn't make for
an exciting story. But
things that
I've seen have been,
from looking at
things for long
periods and making
cities when people
said 'there is
something wrong with
the boy' he was
absorbing deeper
structures in a rock
or patterns in plants
and could
drop it in ten seconds
or ten minutes
to go create a world
in the dirt
consisting of people
working together
to make the world, as
opposed to a
world that seemed at
the mercy of
ignorant and rapacious
elements
tearing it apart. So I
think my
delusions started
there, especially the
dreams that have
replayed like we are
living in a story
already written
and played out.
Thousands of
occurences like that
still amount to
nothing scientific in
the least,
except the reliability
and diversity of
types (that was not
the most common
example, it will have
to suffice for
this exercise).
Stopping to
interrogate my
instincts and check what
trails identify the
current spot has
become routine, but
there has been
no explanation or
meaning. So it is a
continuing mystery.
How would one proceed
scientifically
on something seemingly
impossible
to explain?
I mean that from a
long history of
suffering because of
it. Most of what
I know has a cost,
even with a bit or
resistance there is
little choice
in it even if there
seems to be no
place for it. Imagine
the dilemma if
you had no choice but
to take
something like that
seriously, for the
sake of exercise.
On 8/10/2013 10:46 AM,
RP Singh wrote:
> Mardi , whatever you
are saying
about re-evaluation is
conjecture and
> imagination without
logical
foundation , it is
just a belief system
> based on faith in
some schools of
thought and has no
scientific basis.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013
at 8:03 PM,
Mardi
<mardi...@gmail.com <mailto:mardi...@gmail.com>
><mailto:minds-eye%2B...@googlegroups.com>
<mailto:mardi...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Allan, there are
many different
wonderful traditional
teachings
> about the soul,
the essence of
our humanity, some
also speak of
> spirit or the
psyche. So many
beautiful ideas. And
the simple
> guideline of "do no
harm" is not
only elegantly to the
point but
> is also worth a
lot of thought.
We could go into long
> conversations about
what is harm,
how we can avoid doing
harm, etc.
>
> Of course there
are things which
harm everyone. Yet so
often we
> try to
rationalize why I should
be able to do this or
that which
> pleases me or
benefits me and not
think about the
distant harm
> that is causing
to possibly many
many people. Then
there is the
> thought that what
harms one person
does not harm another.
So we
> must spend time
to know each
person we interact
with to find what
> harms them. And
so many other
ideas and questions
related to this
> very simple idea
of "do no harm"
>
> And I totally
agree that our
awareness evolves,
affecting our
> beliefs, our
motivations, our
actions. And I do
think that our
> souls leave this
body and
experience an
intensive period of
> evaluation of our
total life and its
effects and consequences.
> That can feel
like heaven or
like hell but it
pushes us into
> another life with a
greater
awareness and more
evolved understanding.
>
> To me heaven and
hell are these
periods of
re-evaluation before we
> return to this life
in a new body
and new family,
culture, place
> to try again
with a little more
awareness from our
previous life.
> For some at one
end of the
spectrum, who have
spent their life in
> knowingly causing
harm, the
re-evaluation will be
pretty awful and
> the awareness
may change only
slightly. For some at
the other end
> of the spectrum
who have
consciously spent
their life in trying to
> live doing no
harm, the
re-evaluation period
is a wonderful
> experience of
realizing the greater
understanding and
awareness
> they gained in
the past life and
eagerly enter a new
life to learn
> and evolve more.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday,
August 9, 2013
4:08:35 PM UTC-4,
Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> I can not
help but takein
normal & tradtional
teachings. I
> believe very much in
the guideline
"Do No Harm" There are
> souls running around
causing great
harm..
>
> Oh yeah since you
were gone. . My
beliefs evolved to we are
> souls that have a
body and the
'Soul' is wgat guides and
> controls the body..
not the vis a
versa that has been handed
> down through the
generations.
>
> Souls Rule!
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