Re: Mind's Eye Re: Moral Mazes

Nazi's returning from exile on the moon is actually a pretty good description of Sara Palin and Ted Cruz, two crazy dangerous opportunists with enough money to do some real damage and enough Machiavellian charisma with the herd to take a rudderless movement like the tea party and turn it into the fuse on a party about to implode.  why anyone is listening to them is the real mystery to me.  Here in Detroit, we have a few protest for hire fellows who turn up, like Jessie Jackson used to in Chicago, hired to disrupt wherever someone is willing to pay the price.  People don't seem to remember the last time they did this and they often contradict themselves with causes and messaging,  They whip the crowd into a frenzy like the Oprah audience on give away day.  They come and go as paid.  You have to follow the money to find the motive, often obscured.  But people do follow.  Palin & Cruz yesterday

On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:19:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

okay  that explains why the tea party is out of touch with reality..  LOL

It is sad to see the republican party to hold on to some claim of power are climbing in bed with a group of political terrorist..  what I do not understand how they can claim to be christians and then turn around and do everything in their power to not take care of others..  it would almost seem they have formed or become part of a golden calf cult

On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I don't doubt the world is in big trouble or that the Tea Party was formed by Nazis returning from exile on the Moon.  What I was thinking about is more the hopeless state of our moral maze.  Molly has often put forward religious-introspective-fellowship routes I agree with - but am also exasperated by because of their lack of politics (yet also a blessing).  Most of us don't get past the highly parochial education/upbringing we get, typically stuck in hard-work, equal opportunities myths and even caste systems.

On Friday, 11 October 2013 10:38:53 UTC+1, archytas wrote:

Bankers, CEOs and others have been taking huge and obscene amounts of money from the rest of us more or less forever.   Point to the ludicrous inequality and injustice of such and the establishment will probably roll out a 'moral philosopher' to muddy the water.  These placepeople will say some sports personalities 'earn' (how easily the words weasel out) $1 million a week on the basis of a bit of scarce god-given skill, so why on earth should we be so concerned with bankers?  They will spin this out over an hour or so, probably implying we could all 'earn' massive amounts if we worked hard.  This is typical academic flim-flam and evades the real debate.  We can clearly cap earnings and there have been many examples - the maximum wage in UK soccer and the set match fee in rugby league.  This raises other issues, but my point would be the general failure to point to such indicates the so-called moral arguments are often totally inadequate and trivial.   Allowing people to 'earn' vast amounts of money has probably destroyed our democracies and creates economic rents that are a massive drain on real economic activity (inheritance does this too) and chances of equal opportunity and social mobility.  We are always denied the debate we should have.  Our own ignorance may play a substantial part in this, but there are other argumentative reasons deep in our biology, notably that we argue to win rather than find the best arguments (this theme is associated with Dan Sperber).  I think the argument should have shifted to whether we are faced with a choice between democracy and "banking/obscene 'earnings".   I see signs of this from libertarians (zerohedge etc.) - but main media remains silent and is now so trivial I can't stomach it.  Even most Americans now believe their news programmes don't report in an important way.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-10/10-disturbing-facts-about-exceptional-america

I don't know if we are at a tipping point, but there is very little reason to support the rich 1% as we have.  Does anyone in here still believe this?

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