I still think the problem is translation. Call me an optimist. My understanding of the Buddhist teaching is that we do not identify with the body (sensation), emotional body, ego...this does not mean that we do not function on that level, or that these functions do not have value, or that they are not part of our being. It is that enlightenment requires us to give up our identity - (the cause of suffering) to realize the eternal continuity of our lives. Siddhartha crosses the river, leaving behind the desires of the world, only after saturating himself in them and fully realizing them.
-- Beyond that, we all believe what we believe. We all wrestle our daemons, or not. I am not going to argue about it.
On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:20:10 AM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:
On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:20:10 AM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:
The aim of this posting is to show how meaningless language can be made and how destructive its usage can be in order to serve a higher purpose. I am doing this to question the "higher".1. You are wrong about the method of the Buddha, Gabby.Whereas the original statement was:"Buddha is dead, Molly. I understand that your story telling serves you to push that nasty knowledge away. The method is simple, you just mentally dislocate from your own body."
YOU ARE doing me WRONG by ignoring all the you-markers. You are doing this in order to set your wrongdoing back right.2. It is not dissociation from the body, but an integration of all systems of being. It is not that the buddha does not recognize the fear, etc., it is that he does not suffer from it. It is part of experience, there is full recognition, yet no suffering and no fear.So the basic story of the Buddha goes, yes.3. The experience is not manipulated, but fully integrated. The rational with the transnational. Exploration is in the eye of the beholder. some rail against. some make an attempt to communicate and understand. some turn away. some put out their own view, and don't really care about what is expressed afterward.Here you start customizing Buddha to your needs. You start singularing by means of objectifying experience.4. But I think that words matter. And translation matters. And communication matters. And understanding matters. If someone is looking to be disappointing, they will be. If someone is looking for conflict, they will see it, even if none exists.The "but" makes it clear that we have been lead to the stage of total opposition in a dual world.5. Neil is right about his assessment of spam posts.The opposing duality is now taken to the next level, it is being qualified and evaluated against each other in terms of right and wrong. The identified ally is used to legitimize their own doings.6. Someone looking to enter the group with their own agenda to argue their religion or promote their linked material will soon leave, knowing that none of that matters here.Truth has been dematerialized and becomes manageable in the hands of those with operative power.Or in plain English: it is high time you and Neil did something about more adequate image and sound perception. Links without link don't link.2013/11/23 Molly <moll...@gmail.com>You are wrong about the method of the Buddha, Gabby. It is not dissociation from the body, but an integration of all systems of being. It is not that the buddha does not recognize the fear, etc., it is that he does not suffer from it. It is part of experience, there is full recognition, yet no suffering and no fear. The experience is not manipulated, but fully integrated. The rational with the transnational. Exploration is in the eye of the beholder. some rail against. some make an attempt to communicate and understand. some turn away. some put out their own view, and don't really care about what is expressed afterward. But I think that words matter. And translation matters. And communication matters. And understanding matters. If someone is looking to be disappointing, they will be. If someone is looking for conflict, they will see it, even if none exists. Neil is right about his assessment of spam posts. Someone looking to enter the group with their own agenda to argue their religion or promote their linked material will soon leave, knowing that none of that matters here.
On Friday, November 22, 2013 10:41:18 AM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:Buddha is dead, Molly. I understand that your story telling serves you to push that nasty knowledge away. The method is simple, you just mentally dislocate from your own body. Human beings can do that. Language imagery is a fantastic carrier. At that place there, there is no fear, no ugliness, no pain, no suffering, no weakness - there is only experience, my beautifully constructed, manipulated experience that slowly poisons the minds of those not yet having enough memories stored in their bodies to have formed anti-bodies yet.I thought this place here was to rationally explore matters and not to have an excuse to not explore matters.2013/11/22 Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
Well I wasn't able to view Allan's picture, but see that it has cause quite a stir. I can get the idea from Andrew's response in the spam post that he is equating our fleeting emotions to the question "is this life but a dream in a dream?" An old question, and I can see how it relates. How we react to one substance or situation when we are 4 (curious about shit), 14 (disgusted) may change when we are 44 (now a Proctologist and used to it) and be completely different. The substance does not change, we do. So is the substance of life intangible? Is form as fleeting as emotion?Pol, I like your observation about fear. Our fears change over time given our nature and tendency to hang on to old fear. The Bodhisattva or Buddha has no fear, even in the face of life's greatest turmoil because he feels himself grounded to the earth and the changing, cleansing, evolving, sustaining nature of it. I think you are right, that fear leads to disgust, and despair, and anger...all can be very physical reactions. All can disrupt our relationship to experience.
On Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:55:37 PM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote:what i was really thinking was that.. its so physical... why do we feel like puking... its so similar to another reaction ... like when i get stage fear.. i feel like puking then too....On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:50 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:Disgust is closely linked to morals in science. I switch off gore and such in disgust - can't understand how anyone watches such exploitative muck. I fart a lot these days as I take metformin. I try not to perform in front of others, but am sometimes disgusted by people who can't understand my disability. It is not generally good to wake up as a person dreaming one was a butterfly at 30,000 feet Allan.Teenagers often disgust me - yet they are more or less bound by their biology until 22 and can't help themselves. How might we justify disgust or frown upon its misuse?
On Thursday, 21 November 2013 09:34:03 UTC, pol.science kid wrote:I was wondering.. why do we make a face when we see something disgusting.. or why does disgusting exist for humans.. in the pure sense.. for example if we see a gory seen we turn away.. i dont think any animals do.. or we see crap... or i dont know.. gooey stuff.... what is it that gives us goose bumps... cos there is no reason why we should.. you know... but then some get used to it... like serial killers or doctors.... any thoughts?--To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to minds-eye+...@googlegroups.com
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