Re: Mind's Eye Re: Proof of the existence of God

Andrew, I will require a medium (tree, burning bush, snake, human etc)
and as a proof I will give signs/wonders (miracles).

I was a bit confused earlier but I know get you: it's not to prove
God/ any spirit doesn't exist but to find how they exist... I hope I
haven't misinterpreted you, Andrew?

Each has the right to have a belief: whether God/spirit exist or not
and we must tolerate or ignore it... but with your (Andrew) post which
being not the case I have stated is an interesting healthy discussion
' how would a spirit make us aware of it existence'?

A spirit is formless so a form is required/medium most of the times
and then a proof of everything that SPIRIT says; miracles, wonders,
signs.

I agree with Allan... the interpretation of God means different
things to different people.

Maybe I'm confusing myself more lol. I will try and do some thinking
about the coincidences as proof of the existence of God/spirit.






On 11/8/13, andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Allan, I do not necessarily want to communicate with them and I have
> nothing to offer them. I was just thinking that unexplained coincidences
> like life and the 3 personal experiences I described can be taken as
> spirits wanting to communicate their existence to us. Also I thought that
> for people who demand "proof" of the existence of spirits or the spiritual
> world, personal coincidences are the only way that I can think of. Can you
> think of any other way? Can anyone else in this think tank think of another
>
> way?
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2013 4:10:18 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> Why Andrew do you want to communicate with the spirit world?? Just what
>> are you wanting to get from them? Just what is it you have to offer them?
>>
>> The most effective and reliable way is to live a healthy and wholesome
>> spiritual life carefully obeying the universal law of "Do No Harm".
>> Or There are a lot of con artist willing to help you.
>>
>> Matrix ** th3 beginning light -- Do No Harm
>> On Nov 8, 2013 3:38 PM, "andrew vecsey" <andrew...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Getting back to the original question I anted to discuss..... Can
>>> personal coincidences (seperate chance events coinciding for a particular
>>>
>>> person) be regarded as proof of spirits communicating with them to tell
>>> them that they exist? Another for of the question can be: If you were a
>>> spirit and you wanted to communicate with someone to tell them you exist,
>>>
>>> what would be the most reliable and most effective way to do so?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:50:55 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear group members.
>>>> I would like to start a discussion on the proof of the existence of God.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately many people relate god to religions and want nothing to
>>>> do
>>>> with it. It is a shame because I think god shows itself very clearly to
>>>> all
>>>> in our every day lives. I published a short video on this topic that I
>>>> would like to share with all of you. I look forward to your feedback.
>>>> The
>>>> text of my video is included below. The link to the video is:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yBnBATkFp8&feature=c4-overview&list=
>>>> UU9rOAPUfZe3KEja0vvFpe_A
>>>>
>>>> Most children believe in Santa Clause and tooth fairies because despite
>>>>
>>>> common sense parents claim they are real. Most adults likewise believe
>>>> in
>>>> god because their religious leaders claim god is real. Religion
>>>> teaches us that we can speak to god in prayer and that our prayers are
>>>> answered if we are good. Most who believe in god actually merely follow
>>>>
>>>> blindly whatever religious leaders tell them to believe in the hopes
>>>> that
>>>> they will get something they crave for but do not really need. Some
>>>> religious leaders even proclaim that god punishes those that are
>>>> disobedient by having them burn in hell forever. Many people have
>>>> difficulty believing in a god because they relate god to religion. They
>>>>
>>>> relate religion to the many religious wars and atrocities that killed
>>>> millions of people in the name of god. Religions present god as an old
>>>> man
>>>> with a beard who watches over our every move and knows our every
>>>> intention.
>>>> This god is depicted to be jealous and extremely cruel.
>>>>
>>>> The first step in proving that god exists is to prove that spirits
>>>> exist. Spirits softly whisper to us by giving us spontaneous thoughts
>>>> call
>>>> intuition which most of us do not listen to. Spirits loudly yell at us
>>>> by
>>>> giving us coincidences that most of us attribute to chance. Coincidences
>>>>
>>>> are 2 or more chance events that coincide in time and place. Any one of
>>>>
>>>> those events by itself can be attributed to pure chance. When such
>>>> events
>>>> happen in the same place at the same time to the same person, then many
>>>>
>>>> consider them as miracles. One such an example is life itself.
>>>> Everything,
>>>> including life itself, is theoretically inevitable to arise from chance
>>>>
>>>> when and if given an infinite amount of time. But reality precludes
>>>> infinity which is possible only in mathematics and in our imagination.
>>>>
>>>> According to the latest scientific knowledge, our universe formed from a
>>>>
>>>> single quantum hiccup about 14.5 billion years ago. The chance of a
>>>> single
>>>> living cell evolving to a human being within the time span of 4 billion
>>>>
>>>> years can be calculated to be a reasonable possibility. The chance of
>>>> life
>>>> in the form of a single cell to appear within 500 million years after
>>>> our
>>>> sun and planet formed has a much lesser probability of ever happening.
>>>> The
>>>> chance of our earth being formed just at the right distance from our sun
>>>>
>>>> and the chance of our sun being just the right size required to harbor
>>>> life
>>>> within the time span of 10 billion years is orders of magnitude smaller
>>>>
>>>> still. When we combine these 3 chance events, the coincidence of them
>>>> happening are far beyond a reasonable chance of ever happening within a
>>>>
>>>> time span of 14.5 billion years. Such coincidences of chance events
>>>> happen
>>>> all the time to all people. Below are a few examples of such
>>>> coincidences
>>>> that I have personally experienced.
>>>>
>>>> One day, after a few years of having graduated from university, I
>>>> thought about my class mate whom I had not contacted or even thought
>>>> about
>>>> since we were in school together. I wondered how he was doing so I
>>>> looked
>>>> up his phone number and gave him a call. I dialed his number and before
>>>> I
>>>> got a ring tone, I found him on line. He explained that the same urge
>>>> came
>>>> over him to call me and he as well found me on line before getting a
>>>> ring
>>>> tone.
>>>>
>>>> In another example, a friend I was visiting was missing the very last
>>>> piece of a puzzle she was working on. It was part of a blue sky. Having
>>>>
>>>> looked for the missing puzzle piece everywhere unsuccessfully I drove
>>>> back
>>>> home. About 400 km away, I parked my car on the shoulder of the road to
>>>>
>>>> have a pee. As I was peeing, to my surprise I was uncovering a blue
>>>> puzzle
>>>> piece that lay buried in the sand. When I told her about this, she
>>>> refused
>>>> to see me again.
>>>>
>>>> A third coincidence I would like to share is hearing about a friend of a
>>>>
>>>> friend and meeting her by chance 5,000 km away a few weeks later while I
>>>>
>>>> was on holiday.
>>>>
>>>> There are people who would like to be able to believe in a god without
>>>> religious constraints, but demand physical proof of his existence. Some
>>>>
>>>> claim that whenever they narrowly escape an inevitable death that
>>>> guardian
>>>> angles must have been watching over to save them. Others claim that
>>>> perhaps
>>>> those lucky people who escaped death by the skin of their teeth were
>>>> actually targeted by angels that wanted to kill them but just happened
>>>> to
>>>> fail to hit their target.
>>>>
>>>> If you ever win the big prize in the lottery, consider yourself just
>>>> really lucky. After all, someone has to win. But if you get hit and
>>>> killed
>>>> by lightning soon after winning that lottery, consider yourself blessed.
>>>>
>>>> After all, most poor winners end up with more problems and end up
>>>> unhappy
>>>> as new millionaires.
>>>>
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