Re: Mind's Eye Re: The whole world seen as the Blue Planet

frankly, I'm learning a lot from you all. Thank you very much.

ME will continue to remain.

On 11/12/13, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know, Molly, as Allan would term it, this is the "essence" of Christian
> belief.
>
> What got me really mad yesterday was reading this text snippet to be used
> as "proof" for understanding autopoiesis:
>
> »Any token may be taken, therefore, to be an instruction for the operation
> of an intention, and may itself be given a name ›cross‹ to indicate what
> the intention is.«
>
> George Spencer Brown: Laws of Form, New York 1979, S. 6.
>
>
> 2013/11/12 Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
>
>> Contrary to your belief, I've been taught that bearing (by experience)
>> the cross is no longer necessary. The cross between individual and
>> collective just is. It is not for me to bear.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 6:27:06 AM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:
>>
>>> I know you have been taught to bear the cross of diachronic truth in
>>> syntagmatic relations, Molly. Allan prefers souls to spirits, I think we
>>> should accept his approach.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 11.11.2013 um 12:04 schrieb Molly <moll...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> "there's a blaze of light in every word, it doesn't matter which you
>>> heard, the holy or the broken hallelujah..." - Leonard Cohen
>>>
>>> Some would agree with Leonard and say that the Logos is the spirit of
>>> the
>>> word. IMHO there is something that moves the words within us, beyond
>>> connotation and denotation through meaning into the connection that the
>>> words bring. Shakespeare is the prime example for me. He strikes such
>>> a
>>> chord throughout the centuries that most of our cliches and
>>> colloquialisms
>>> in many languages are quotes from his work. The connection his words
>>> give
>>> us to life itself is timeless.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 4:48:54 AM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let's say the language corpus here was seen as a countable number of
>>>> words which were put here with a meaningful intention. Allan would want
>>>> to
>>>> connect with the soul of the words, which is where I think his mistake
>>>> lies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.11.2013 um 04:03 schrieb Konara Abeyrathne <kon...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> hello If you cut a ody of a human in to tiny pieces, can you see
>>>> the
>>>> so callled SOUL? sure No. how can it control our body? pl clear this
>>>> for
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been trying to figure out how to explain God for years now..
>>>>> you get weird words like supreme being, they are not wrong but,,,,
>>>>> it separates God from his creation. for me that is a problem, well not
>>>>> just a problem but a major stumbling block.. My personal experience
>>>>> with
>>>>> an interaction of God is that it is not a feeling separation but one
>>>>> of
>>>>> within and without at the same moment. it is an awesome experience to
>>>>> say
>>>>> the least. Every time an interaction of this type has occurred it
>>>>> leaves
>>>>> the same feelings within me.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for me I have no need to prove the existence of God because I know
>>>>> he is real not a mythological being.. and that makes a big
>>>>> difference.
>>>>> Now whether people believe me or not does not matter,, I know God is
>>>>> real. All I can do is share my experience how people respond is their
>>>>> problem, not mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem is how to you explain the being of God both simply and
>>>>> clearly.. This topic has shown me a way to explain part of the problem
>>>>> for
>>>>> which I am very grateful.. I like open discussions as it allows me to
>>>>> expand on ideas.. and groups with input allow me to explore different
>>>>> ideas.. Thank you everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matrix -- Soul rules the body
>>>>> ) -- Do No Harm
>>>>> (
>>>>> [_D Allan H
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: mind...@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 11:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: The whole world seen as the Blue Planet
>>>>>
>>>>> This is interesting, Gabby. I think our self image is integral to how
>>>>> we experience the world and our very being. That distortion you
>>>>> reference
>>>>> may even be "sin" as interpreted by the Christian mystics to mean
>>>>> separation from God, or in Alan''s terms, the essence of everything,
>>>>> our
>>>>> collectivism. How often does our self image match the image we have of
>>>>> our
>>>>> world and all that is in it?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 9, 2013 12:23:24 PM UTC-5, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we are the people, then what do we look like so we know who we
>>>>>> are? Experiencing the 3rd person view, whether it be singular or
>>>>>> plural, is
>>>>>> a tempting challenge in that respect. They say, the image of our blue
>>>>>> planet, the photo that shows what we really look like, changed our
>>>>>> view of
>>>>>> ourselves. Are they sure? It has always impressed me so much more to
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> at the sky and to think how antish or houndish my little me must seem
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> there. Or how easily calculable when pondering the interregularity of
>>>>>> the sun-moon-stars appearances staged within the grand scheme of
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my mind's eye the image of a round blue eye representing "Minds
>>>>>> Eye" is a primitive visual reduction to a view deeply deformed by
>>>>>> imperial
>>>>>> power players.
>>>>>>
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