Re: Mind's Eye mistaken origins

Absentmindedness as a state of mind that is.

Am Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 23:07:25 UTC+1 schrieb Allan Heretic:

I would in a heartbeat if I could figure our how to carry one. Something thiugh because of the intensity do no really fade. Or do they I did not have a csmers to record the events.

Recorded memories are and can be amazing. Oddly what I find that seems to fade is time. I can nit help but wonder if because it is specific to this relm  and has nothing to do with other tyoes of universes.

Matrix : Soul controls mind.
 (            : Do No Harm
[_D Allan H

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Sent: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye mistaken origins

Origin blurrs and is forever deferred.  Our memories are inventive, future mapping, capable of seeing virtual, coloured worlds of the 'beige' universe and outcomes where there will be no evidence only narratives.  Politicians and other crooks organise for there only to be narrative recall.  We could organise now for evidence to be prioritised more.  This remains tough where declaring the evidence is to disclose it to the enemy as in our war situations, but one can see the principle in such as the Duggan Inquest.  You can google the 12 weeks of transcripts only to discover 5 seconds of good CCTV would tell you more than many days of testimony and deliberation.  I think we could establish more 'evidence miracles' across society.  Of course, Allan and I would not carry cameras on a quest for the soul.

On Sunday, 15 December 2013 11:20:06 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Both Bush and Blair wanted to be the glorious war time leader..  the problem there is you can not start the war..  as for their making peace with god.. well I am not them,,  As for the notion of the soul is not mine,,  It oddly is a concept that appears to flow through all beliefs from very beginning of  man through our time..  the soul is a commonality of mankind..  an idea that I have been exploring  unfortunately you have been dragged along with me on this journey ,  it is nice to explore an idea that is true and has value..  one of those rare gem stones..

Politicians  the old definition for a politician was a professional liar..  so you can expect no more.. all one can do is realize what their profession really is. In a period of my life to do my job I had to become a professional liar.. I Needed to become super good guy and super bad guy at the same moment..  not an healthy emotional place to be in  and I did pay a heavy price..  Difference is I knew the truth of who I really was and so did my colleges that I worked with..  we knew what was lies.. and that allows one to keep a healthy orientation  toward truth,,  I could tell you anything to the point off passing any lie detector test. What I could not due is lie to myself..  I had to live in reality no how bad it really was..   strangely knowing and searching for truth leads to spirituality..  not churchianity where most people end up..

The ultimate search is for our origins..  in my case I find my origin is in my Soul..  for me it is not a mistaken origin.

Matrix -- Soul rules the body
 (           --  Do No Harm
   )
[_D  Allan H                       


-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwt...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye mistaken origins

I have a lot of time fro what Andrew and Pol say on this.  I don't approve of lying, though can see some circumstances when one must.  Development of virtue on an internal basis allows the dreadful state of what passes for politics and an increasingly corrupt academy and media.  I don't mean any attack on Allan's notion of soul here, or religious development that is genuinely universal, or philosophy in terms of 'unbewitching language'.  It's that point at with the likes of Blair and Bush lay claim to have made peace with god when they are concealing their dirty hands.  At times in the past truth was no concern, only who was speaking and I feel we are now stuck with an elite doing exactly this.  We have whole disciplines like economics and most business teaching that have no basis in truth or free enquiry.  I believe this is part of deep-rooted elitism that starts with the classics, tragedy and virtue ethics that is little more than rationalisation.  The free table was part of this, so even communism has root in slavery.  amongst other things this has left us with an education system focused on material most can't really get into.

Here I can say 'All British are liars.  I am British' sure that all this means concerns cracking a few grins.  In philosophy the second proposition is counterexample to the first.  Both cannot be true in a certain view of language logic, but we are aware of the ironic meaning.  I never took much to 'all swans are white, therefore there are no black swans'.  There turned out to be some in Australia, but in more modern language the clue is they have black pigmentation round the eyes and could genetically manipulate that in the main body feathers.  There is a long history from Socrates' doxa, through Bacon's Idols, Descartes' radical doubt, Nietzsche's more radical doubt, Wittgenstein's biological-iconic view of language to more recent work (Dan Sperber) that we have argument wrong.  I want to doubt without leaving us in an anything goes morality or relying on heroes of argument like politicians taking us into wars we don't want.

On Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:55:22 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

I ended up putting a lot of time into philosophy. In starting it was not by choice and did not expect my life to become an obsession.

I have been very blessed with people who have the ability to sift through the dross and then share their precious gems with me.

Thank You you are a treasure.

Matrix : Soul controls mind.
 (            : Do No Harm
[_D Allan H

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 7:24 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye mistaken origins

I sunk a lot of costs in philosophy.  The stuff was around at university and research was supposed to require epistemology.  Some of the experience was enjoyable.  It didn't shake convictions I learned in science or as a detective.  Roughly put there is evidence and the rest is piss and wind.  Evidence relies on audiences capable of understanding and these are rare. I even bought a book called 'Audiences' to learn more, but like most academic books and papers, it disappointed.  You have to read an awful lot of dross to find the few gems.  Whilst doing this you can be suckered , even seduced by arguments that convince that you are on a righteous path to truth.  The Greeks, probably copying and developing more eastern work, pondered a lot on virtue ethics, living in a slave economy and seemingly unaware the edifice built was ideal for cheats who could feign integrity; a system ideal for jerks living off the labour of others and worse.

It's tough being honest, even to the extent one of the biggest lies we are told is that honesty is the best policy.  Most systems I've experienced are designed to prevent honesty.  We use manners, etiquette and due process instead.  Evidence is replaced by human recall of what it was.  We have chronic problems because of this.  Most of us are lousy eye-witnesses.  I want to argue we are trapped in Greek origins, the mentality of an elite who routinely allowed and justified slavery.

Anyone any ideas?

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