Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I know the internet between the mind and soul for most of the members is not an interesting topic.

How I arrived at that conclusion came from a change in perspective. A lot of the church (most religions) teachings regarding the soul do not make a lot of logical sense mostly pointing to earlier rambling trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.

Anyway, when I look at the spiritual concepts in which I agree and make sense requiring no proof, to me they're basically simple 1: the soul is real. 2: the soul is eternal. 3: the soul separates from the body at the time of death. Now these basic concepts have been floating around since pre neolithic times and are found in many belief systems.

Using these points as a starting point, I can begin . . Right and wrong most beliefs say you are rewarded for being good punished for being bad. Which is true. Being raised Catholic the church teaches the laws of God are written on the soul. I agree with that. As I read it that means the soul knows the difference between right and wrong. Now according to teachings if  your body kills another body your soul is going to go to hell.
That is not meant to make a lot of sense just to show a point.  Logically if the body and mind commit a crime then your body and mind go to jail. Which happens, jails are over flowing.

Here in lies the logical problem. If the mind controls the body and the mind/body commits murder and the poor soul is just dragged along for the ride ..  why should the soul be punished for something it did not do? Talk about an act of injustice, plain and simple. The soul being punished for the acts committed by the mind/body against it will because it knows better than violate God's laws. (Ri i ight)

As I see this problem, the soul is what knows the difference between right and wrong. To be spiritually and morally accountable it has to have control of the mind/body not the other way around.

To me it is simple logic, for the soul to be held accountable for the actions of the mind/body the soul to be in control.

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

The interplay between mind and soul is an interesting topic, Allan.  Not many would entertain it.  I think there is much more to life than the mind can process, although we rely on mind to refine, analyze, classify, store our perceptions. It seems to me that our soul, although infinite, is also individual (unless you are referring to Soul.) Because it is individual it is still one step removed from the Self or Soul of God or whatever we want to label our collective life.

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:10:24 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

What you said is the organic mind can not separate the difference. If the organic mind can not separate reality from non reality you do not have the ability to classify your perceptions.
My soul does not have that problem. Because my soul controls my organic brain that problem does not exist. With out a soul you have a problem with separating realities.  

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

I am saying that "The " mind relies on perception.  We use the terms reality and unreality to classify those perceptions.

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:58:55 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Are you saying your mind can not tell the difference between reality and non reality?

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <mind...@googlegroups.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life

An organic mind knows no difference between reality and dreams.  These are simply terms for our perceptions.  Without getting into premonitions or Deja vu,  The organic mind simply takes input from our senses and delivers it to sections of the mind that process it.  Example:  everything we see with our eyes we see upside down, but the mind corrects that "reality" to make it an acceptable perception.  Also keep in thought that all of these perceptions are past or history.  Nothing can happen that isn't already past.  We call the now the present but the reality is it is already relegated to some past event.  Every word I write here I can only perceive after its actual occurrence.  It is an infinitesimal time delay but nevertheless history.   I think when we come to terms with our full "Self" we realize everything is a reality within a dream created by a god made in our image.   I don't want to listed with the arrogant who claim to know God's purpose in this convolution.

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:28:48 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

How do we know the difference between reality and a dream, or reality and an illusion? Easy... If you keep waking up to the same self, with the same strengths and weaknesses, with the same "others" and in the same place that you went to sleep and woke up, then that is your reality. If you dream one night that you are flying with Madonna in and another night that you are playing with the rolling stones, then clearly those are just dreams and/or illusions. Your reality is not what you are effected by, it is more what and who you effect. It is our home that we always return to until we die.  Those that live in their dreams and illusions are either under the influence of drugs or have mental problems and are ill and need to be taken care of.

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:02:36 PM UTC+2, Gabby wrote:

In German we call reality Wirklichkeit. I have learned to agree to that convention.

Am Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014 schrieb Molly :

Well, I do not agree that reality is "what has an effect on us" but respect your perception of it.

On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:34:00 AM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:

Okay, the first round of our little what-have-we-forgotten-to-weed-out game goes to you, Tony. The pronounless fingerpointing of the existential Singularity of the "there is" clearly overtrumps the German "es gibt" and the French "il y a".  Molly upped the ante in the second round with reminding us of the love-hate relation of the Dualism of the One and the Many. Me+Myself+I would then like to be remembered for the Triangulation - with God in the center. Allan then again squared the issue with his smartphone/tablet.  

(As soon as we need two digits to continue, we will need your input again, Molly! Stay awake!)

We "take true" (perception) what has an "effect on us" (reality).

Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014 schrieb 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" :

There is the very real possibility that "Self" is all that exists and everyone (other) and everything is simply a perception.   We can not have awareness or consciousness of an "Others" perceptions.  

On Friday, July 18, 2014 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

The one Spirit is the inner Being of all and actually it is that which sees and acts in all organisms , but the paradox is that all individuals apparently see and act independently and are in a state of separateness and confrontation with each other. This puts the Spirit in an obviously separate position from all individuals and because of its omnipotence is worthy of respect , to be worshiped and prayed to.

Even though our real essence is the Spirit , it is separate from us and so instead of being called the Self it should be called God and our Father in Heaven.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:

My single organic potato is growing quite in my pot Neil, How is your garden going.. it seems that the organic concept has great merit even though the organic substance  of the soul I do not understand its essence yet, I know I know that the totality of everything and beyond is all contained within the ying yang of the Allfather.
The physical part of the body ,, the only thing that in=s making any real sense to me is is but a shell (container) in which for the soul to function within this time reality. Duality can exist within time and non-time.  The only element of time that exist is the present,,  the past has become a record within non-time.
one of the questions that arise is just what is the essence of the Allfather. the organic essence is relatively easy ,, the other essence is  of the Allfather is another matter

Allan
A Living Soul

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