"Eternity is not a long time; rather, it is another dimension. It is that dimension to which time-thinking shuts us. And so there never was a creation. Rather, there is a continuous creating going on. This energy is pouring into every cell of our being right now, every board and brick of the buildings we sit in, every grain of sand and wisp of wind."
Joseph Campbell, Myths of Light
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:57:59 AM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
As you know, from my view, once the leap to non dual is made, soul steps out of the way for a direct relationship with spirit. A good analogy would be the maturing of the ego. After feeding the ego is no longer important, it steps aside for the higher functions of the mind, yet continues as a background operating system with the organization of our personality in place.I've done quite a bit of soul searching in my time. Past life regression under the guidance of the Brian Weiss group. Studied shamanism under the Harners and their Foundation for Shamanic Studies for a bit. I found that once I let go of "cause and effect" as a basis of experience, which is steeped in duality, my experience transformed. I think at this point, we are no longer bound to karmic laws. I can also respect people who base their lives on them. I studied a bit of Rudolph Steiner's Theosophy and found a group of his students in Switzerland who based all of their actions on what effect it would have on their karma because they believed this would give them some control over what their next life would be. While I found it interesting that people would do this, I never bought into it because at that point, I knew a greater dynamic to life.
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:45:44 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:If you master your soul you will have mastered both your body and mind. Why have not included your soul in the spiritual mastery problem?
Allan
A Living Soul
-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic lifeand yet, part of that spiritual development is mastery of the body and mind.--
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:00:32 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:You are right Richard the body is but a container for the soul. Even in ancient times bodies were cremated to release the soul from its body. The soul is of great importance and the body is what allows the soul to function and develop in this reality,
Spiritual development is what this life is all about,
Allan
A Living Soul
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Blay <richsun.b@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic lifeI hope you are all doing well, my friends afar. I've been a passive member for some time now by just reading your well thought written posts. I should say I've been (and still) learning from you.
I might be young but I've gotten to know that the body is a container (if I'm right), and the soul or spirit or both is the item the body contains.
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And if we are made in the image of God then what is that image, is it the soul or the spirit? because per your views, the soul is separate from the spirit.
On Jul 23, 2014 6:01 PM, "Molly" <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I said to the night, "If you are in love with the moon, it is because you never stay for long." The night turned to me and said, "It is not my fault. I never see the Sun, how can I know that love is endless?"
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> ~ Rumi
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>
> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:47:16 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:
>>
>> I don't see why the many would get lost in the one. I see it more as included and integrated. The paradox of the one and the many is that they are expressed as one.
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:30:52 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>>
>>> Soul is an entity in a body and are as many as there are human bodies , that is , each human has a soul existing separately from other souls. There are infinite no. of souls, but The Spirit is one and the inner being of all.
>>> The question arises is that are souls immortal or do they cease to be. Christian and Muslims say that souls are immortal and live ever after with God but are separate from Him. Hindus say that after many births a soul realizes its true nature and becomes one with God , that is, it loses its identity.
>>> But the fact is that there are no souls , only biological organisms and the living spark in them is a proof of the existence of Spirit. And Spirit being unborn and indestructible continues to shine whereas its manifestations come and cease to be.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am sure the topic has been covered many many times in the past with writers far more intelligent than I am. And there is as many views as there are souls. My question is do we get lost in nit picking words.
>>>>
>>>> SPIRIT
>>>>
>>>> pronunciation
>>>> • (IPA): /ˈspɪɹɪt/
>>>> • (IPA): /ˈspiɹɪt/
>>>>
>>>> noun (plural spirits)
>>>> • The undying essence of a human. The soul.
>>>> • A supernatural being, often but not exclusively without physical form; ghost, fairy, angel.
>>>> • Enthusiasm.
>>>> • The manner or style of something.
>>>> • (usually) A volatile liquid, such as alcohol. The plural form spirits is a generic term for distilled alcoholic beverages.
>>>> • Energy.
>>>>
>>>> translations (soul)
>>>> • French: esprit
>>>> • German: Geist, Seele
>>>> • Italian: spirito
>>>> • Portuguese: espírito
>>>> • Russian: душа
>>>> • Spanish: espíritu, alma
>>>>
>>>> translations (supernatural being)
>>>> • French: esprit
>>>> • German: Geist
>>>> • Italian: spirito
>>>> • Portuguese: espírito
>>>> • Russian: привидение
>>>> • Spanish: espíritu
>>>>
>>>> translations (enthusiasm)
>>>> • French: esprit, moral
>>>> • Italian: spirito
>>>> • Russian: дух
>>>> • Spanish: espíritu
>>>>
>>>> translations (manner or style)
>>>> • French: élan, esprit
>>>> • Italian: spirito
>>>>
>>>> translations (alcohol)
>>>> • French: spiritueux
>>>> • German: Schnaps, (slang) Sprit, Alkohol
>>>> • Italian: spirito
>>>> • Portuguese: álcool
>>>> • Russian: алкоголь
>>>> • Spanish: alcohol, bebida espirituosa
>>>>
>>>> verb • To carry off, especially in haste, secrecy, or mystery.
>>>>
>>>> SPIRIT
>>>>
>>>> noun
>>>> • The Holy Spirit: in Christian theology, the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity, the three aspects of God.
>>>> • The name given to a Mars exploration rover launched June 10, 2003. See Wikipedia's article.
>>>>
>>>> translations (a Mars exploration rover) • Russian: Спирит
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> SOUL
>>>>
>>>> pronunciation
>>>> • (IPA): /səʊl/
>>>> • (IPA): /soʊl/
>>>>
>>>> noun (plural souls)
>>>> • (religion) The spirit or essence of a person usually thought to consist of one's thoughts and personality. Often believed to live on after the person's death.
>>>> • The spirit or essence of anything.
>>>> • Life, energy, vigor.
>>>> • (music) Soul music.
>>>> • A person, especially as one among many.
>>>> • An individual life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> • (seeCites)
>>>>
>>>> translations (the spirit or essence of a person that is believed to live on after the person's death)
>>>> • French: âme
>>>> • German: Seele
>>>> • Italian: anima
>>>> • Portuguese: alma
>>>> • Russian: душа
>>>> • Spanish: alma
>>>>
>>>> translations (life, energy, vigour)
>>>> • French: âme
>>>> • Russian: душа
>>>>
>>>> translations (soul music)
>>>> • French: soul
>>>> • German: Soul
>>>> • Russian: соул
>>>>
>>>> translations (person, especially as one among many)
>>>> • French: âme
>>>>
>>>> verb
>>>> • (obsolete) To endue with a soul; to furnish with a soul or mind.
>>>>
>>>> verb • (obsolete) To afford suitable sustenance.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~
>>>> I am apologizing for the definitions, i am having trouble seeing the differences between soul and spirit.
>>>>
>>>> This is a minor problem I have with my epilepsy being in the language center of my organic brain. I need to keep my language simple and not complex so I can truly understand what I am saying. What I have found is that when I try to gear my language so that it understood even by a child then everyone can understand it. It seems people writing about spirituality use far to many words to say little and that includes me.
>>>>
>>>> Is the idea to clarify a thought or put people to sleep by saying much about nothing in order to appear that we understand what we are talking. then the question comes from digesting material written by others, A rehash of old ideas or is it coming from personal experience?
>>>>
>>>> What gives value to an idea?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Allan
>>>> A Living Soul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
>>>> To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 2:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life
>>>>
>>>> I think Descarte did a nice job with the difference between soul and spirit. Benedetto Croce came closest to my ideas on the subject, although I will admit I have not reviewed his Aesthetic in many years. I think Allan is on to something, it has been done and redone over the eons and the best each of us can do is articulate it from our own view. From my view, soul is the non-local interface between self and spirit. Whereas spirit (God) is our final integration, soul, like mind and ego, has its function that can be integrated and transcended with what the Christian mythology calls the ascension, or posit in non duality.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:19:40 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know the internet between the mind and soul for most of the members is not an interesting topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> How I arrived at that conclusion came from a change in perspective. A lot of the church (most religions) teachings regarding the soul do not make a lot of logical sense mostly pointing to earlier rambling trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, when I look at the spiritual concepts in which I agree and make sense requiring no proof, to me they're basically simple 1: the soul is real. 2: the soul is eternal. 3: the soul separates from the body at the time of death. Now these basic concepts have been floating around since pre neolithic times and are found in many belief systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using these points as a starting point, I can begin . . Right and wrong most beliefs say you are rewarded for being good punished for being bad. Which is true. Being raised Catholic the church teaches the laws of God are written on the soul. I agree with that. As I read it that means the soul knows the difference between right and wrong. Now according to teachings if your body kills another body your soul is going to go to hell.
>>>>> That is not meant to make a lot of sense just to show a point. Logically if the body and mind commit a crime then your body and mind go to jail. Which happens, jails are over flowing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here in lies the logical problem. If the mind controls the body and the mind/body commits murder and the poor soul is just dragged along for the ride .. why should the soul be punished for something it did not do? Talk about an act of injustice, plain and simple. The soul being punished for the acts committed by the mind/body against it will because it knows better than violate God's laws. (Ri i ight)
>>>>>
>>>>> As I see this problem, the soul is what knows the difference between right and wrong. To be spiritually and morally accountable it has to have control of the mind/body not the other way around.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me it is simple logic, for the soul to be held accountable for the actions of the mind/body the soul to be in control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Allan
>>>>> A Living Soul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 9:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life
>>>>>
>>>>> The interplay between mind and soul is an interesting topic, Allan. Not many would entertain it. I think there is much more to life than the mind can process, although we rely on mind to refine, analyze, classify, store our perceptions. It seems to me that our soul, although infinite, is also individual (unless you are referring to Soul.) Because it is individual it is still one step removed from the Self or Soul of God or whatever we want to label our collective life.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:10:24 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you said is the organic mind can not separate the difference. If the organic mind can not separate reality from non reality you do not have the ability to classify your perceptions.
>>>>>> My soul does not have that problem. Because my soul controls my organic brain that problem does not exist. With out a soul you have a problem with separating realities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>> A Living Soul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 7:01 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am saying that "The " mind relies on perception. We use the terms reality and unreality to classify those perceptions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:58:55 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying your mind can not tell the difference between reality and non reality?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>> A Living Soul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <mind...@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> To: mind...@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 5:30 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye organic life
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An organic mind knows no difference between reality and dreams. These are simply terms for our perceptions. Without getting into premonitions or Deja vu, The organic mind simply takes input from our senses and delivers it to sections of the mind that process it. Example: everything we see with our eyes we see upside down, but the mind corrects that "reality" to make it an acceptable perception. Also keep in thought that all of these perceptions are past or history. Nothing can happen that isn't already past. We call the now the present but the reality is it is already relegated to some past event. Every word I write here I can only perceive after its actual occurrence. It is an infinitesimal time delay but nevertheless history. I think when we come to terms with our full "Self" we realize everything is a reality within a dream created by a god made in our image. I don't want to listed with the arrogant who claim to know God's purpose in this convolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:28:48 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do we know the difference between reality and a dream, or reality and an illusion? Easy... If you keep waking up to the same self, with the same strengths and weaknesses, with the same "others" and in the same place that you went to sleep and woke up, then that is your reality. If you dream one night that you are flying with Madonna in and another night that you are playing with the rolling stones, then clearly those are just dreams and/or illusions. Your reality is not what you are effected by, it is more what and who you effect. It is our home that we always return to until we die. Those that live in their dreams and illusions are either under the influence of drugs or have mental problems and are ill and need to be taken care of.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 2:02:36 PM UTC+2, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In German we call reality Wirklichkeit. I have learned to agree to that convention.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014 schrieb Molly :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I do not agree that reality is "what has an effect on us" but respect your perception of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:34:00 AM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, the first round of our little what-have-we-forgotten-to-weed-out game goes to you, Tony. The pronounless fingerpointing of the existential Singularity of the "there is" clearly overtrumps the German "es gibt" and the French "il y a". Molly upped the ante in the second round with reminding us of the love-hate relation of the Dualism of the One and the Many. Me+Myself+I would then like to be remembered for the Triangulation - with God in the center. Allan then again squared the issue with his smartphone/tablet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (As soon as we need two digits to continue, we will need your input again, Molly! Stay awake!)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We "take true" (perception) what has an "effect on us" (reality).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014 schrieb 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is the very real possibility that "Self" is all that exists and everyone (other) and everything is simply a perception. We can not have awareness or consciousness of an "Others" perceptions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 18, 2014 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one Spirit is the inner Being of all and actually it is that which sees and acts in all organisms , but the paradox is that all individuals apparently see and act independently and are in a state of separateness and confrontation with each other. This puts the Spirit in an obviously separate position from all individuals and because of its omnipotence is worthy of respect , to be worshiped and prayed to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though our real essence is the Spirit , it is separate from us and so instead of being called the Self it should be called God and our Father in Heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:37 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My single organic potato is growing quite in my pot Neil, How is your garden going.. it seems that the organic concept has great merit even though the organic substance of the soul I do not understand its essence yet, I know I know that the totality of everything and beyond is all contained within the ying yang of the Allfather.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The physical part of the body ,, the only thing that in=s making any real sense to me is is but a shell (container) in which for the soul to function within this time reality. Duality can exist within time and non-time. The only element of time that exist is the present,, the past has become a record within non-time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the questions that arise is just what is the essence of the Allfather. the organic essence is relatively easy ,, the other essence is of the Allfather is another matter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Living Soul
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