Re: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

I see that happening a lot. People wanting sheria law. The basic problem lies in the problem like here in Holland our laws actually do not violate sheria law. But and it is a big but sharia law violates our laws.
Those that are violating our laws need to be held accountable for their actions and rulings. Child molestation is not acceptable. Rape is not acceptable. If sheria law violates our laws sheria law is wrong.

Allan
Living Soul

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From: Don Johnson <dajohn@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:19 AM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Separatists, separation, independence and freedom

"Are there any examples in any countries in the world where the people want a part to separate but that part refuses and fights for their right to stay?"

Yes, Israel. The "Palestinians" want the Joos to die. All of them. Hopefully painfully with much nashing of teeth and pulling of hair. I will never, ever forget seeing the celebrations in the streets of "Palestine" while bodies fell from the burning towers on 9/11. Savages. 

I agree with Molly and Neil no amount of "voting" is going to change human nature. Rather then referencing the Koch brothers I'd like to mention Acorn and IRS facist style intimidation tactics that effectively influenced the 2008 election and the 2012 election respectively. Whatever the Koch brothers did it obviously wasn't effective enough to get a Conservative elected. Not even close in the case of 2012. 

The closest thing to a successful "separatist" community here in the States is probably the Amish. They are rich, own loads of land and pay their taxes, export fine furniture and other products and live quiet, simple lives. I have much respect for them. 

I remember reading an article about Muslim communities in GB allowed to practice some form of Sharia law. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587215/Sharia-Law-enshrined-British-legal-lawyers-guidelines-drawing-documents-according-Islamic-rules.html

I'm sure that's a wonderful idea. If I couldda beat my wife openly in the streets I'd probably still be married. 

dj

On Thursday, August 7, 2014 4:51:35 PM UTC-5, Don Johnson wrote:

"Why can't we all just get along?" The old Rodney King plaintive wail is applicable here. The reason we can't is because we want other people's stuff. The best way to get more stuff and keep our stuff is to organize and become more powerful and numerous. Assimilating surrounding resources is an important step. The Chinese and Russians seem to grasp this concept quite well. El Jefe over here in the States seems to embrace the opposite. 

Sorry if this is slightly off topic but is anyone else getting flashbacks to the 30's and German expansion here? Now it's Russian expansion. We have so many bad things going on it's hard to keep track. Results of "leading from behind."

I sincerely hope we are sending hundreds of thousands of pounds of propane to Europe to prepare them for the war to come. 'Cause Emperor Putin will have no problem cutting the flow of gas to Europe if he feels like it. It sure would be nice to start exporting fossil fuels for a change. 

On Monday, July 28, 2014 6:32:31 AM UTC-5, andrew vecsey wrote:

Dear members, I would like to open up a discussion concerning the right of a people to separate and be independent from whoever and whatever they are tied to, whether it be a partner, a family or a state.
I have 3 examples:- The people of Ukraine, The Palestinians in Gaza, and a friend. All 3 show a determination to separate and be independent, and are ready to fight for their independence and separation. 
My simple solution to this complex problem is to have a referendum and to respect the majority vote. If people do not vote, it should be considered that they do not know or care.
It is far better for partners who do not get along together to separate rather than to fight. It is better as well for their neighbors.
Jesus said that if someone slaps you on your cheek, rather than to slap him back, you should offer him your other cheek to slap. Jesus also said that if you love your enemies, then you will not have any enemies to hate and fear. As long as we follow the eye for eyes and and tooth for teeth system of justice, we will continue to fight to the bitter end. As long as we think that we are better than others, then we will never be able to live together in harmony and peace. It is high time we change or ways and show respect to others.
Are there any examples in any countries in the world where the people want a part to separate but that part refuses and fights for their right to stay?   
    

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