Re: Mind's Eye Re: alien scrutiny and Facilitator's 'artist'

Some of my grandson's mates (and the lad) are as thick as mud in the academic sense.  I like the idea that my chip could sort them out in that sense.  I would have withdrawn the boy from secondary school if the academic stuff was all (he knows almost none of it) - but we are very reluctant to test what '20 years of child-minding' has produced in a graduate student.  I suspect my chip would be pretty small if it only had to contain the knowledge of, say, as 25 year old with a PhD.  As Molly says, this is hardly all intelligence is about.  Some of us working with computers do think biological intelligence is about to change.  I think we may have misjudged what education is really about.  Of course, we'd need some way of interface with the chip.  A few academics are having implants, but I know little of this research.  We are also approaching natural language processing-programming that would improve and ease extra-somatic communication.

Intuition is still a vague term.  I can see something of it in the 'eye' Facil has offered.

On Sunday, 28 September 2014 17:18:52 UTC+1, Molly wrote:

Good questions.  What makes us individuals?  Would we be much different if we all had the same "knowledge" base?  Would an extensive and common knowledge base lead to "knowing" what we are looking at? Perception and knowledge are intertwined but I do not think that perception is totally dependent on knowledge, rather, also affected by intuition and innate intelligence.

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:50:58 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Amazing constructions Facil.  I sometimes think 'our' foreign policy might deconstruct to 'plastic'.  We might have a great metaphor for Star Trek in the construction of a credible space sculpture from 40 items of household plastic!  I'm probably not far off myself in thinking of genetically engineered cyborgs taking advantage of such as polar bear hibernation mechanisms in the hostile space environment - adapting material from our current environment.  The question of what we are 'looking at' arises again.  We tend to think of hibernation as 'long term sleeping', yet the underlying mechanisms concern nitrogen recycling done to keep such as muscles in shape and polar bears can enter hibernation mode whilst active and moving about to help cope with the Arctic.

In science soap fiction, we tend to put ourselves, perhaps as characters from Attic tragedy into a future this 'we' could not survive into.  Questions that arise for me include whether I would have swapped school and various years in university courses, research and teaching for a cyber chip with the knowledge I assimilated in it.  I'd go for the chip, but also wonder on what such would mean for those we standardly fail in these processes and so-called meritocracy connections in education.  I can probably plot out a 28 year 'flight' in a relativity bubble to the edge of the universe (an Australian estimate) with a lot of effort, but would I bother with a reliable cyber-node?  What would argument become with us all much more knowing creatures?

On Saturday, 27 September 2014 21:42:15 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

Yes. Man is not designed for space.  ;o) but there will evolve small groups capable of the transition. They will have small communities throughout the earth and its oceans,  they will quietly develop a small space station developing one for deep space independent life of this world and the reality that has been created.
You are right man is not fit for space.

Allan
Living Soul

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We tend to create conditions in space-time flight that at least resemble those close to the Earth and the parochial conditions of gravity.  Biologically, we are remarkably unsuited to space-time flight other than on our planet.  Facil's stuff is great, though we could argue we might need to start in non-human perception and something less visual.  Some creatures seem to be navigating here on the basis of distant stars or the Milky Way (dung beetles are an example).  Much 'perceiving' these days has extra-somatic components. and art might shift to what we are not perceiving.   

On Saturday, 27 September 2014 08:53:51 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

I like the drawings but i think they are kind of old school. They are missing some basic needs. Other than centrifugal force.
A deep space  platforms of say a design similar a bike tire would create the much needed gravity. (I see all the yadda about artificial gravity but no how to accomplish its' creation.)
A rotating tire concept is also the easiest way maintain balance .. Food can easily provided by hydroponics. Power provided by nuclear power potentially housing millions of people. This would create their own civilization..
Hmm
Several platforms and larger ones will perfectly allow for on going wars.. Peace and harmony do not go well with  greed and domination so present today.

Allan
Living Soul

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On Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:15:37 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

That's today Andrew.  Can we question beyond the singularity in which even this cycle breaks down?

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