Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

I keep Hop on Pop; Cat in the Hat; & Green Eggs and Ham on my phone, great for when read too. Ah the hidden escape hatches.
So I'm a child in heart..

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 1:15 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

Like saying yes, when the answer is no. But by the time anyone else finds out the answer is no, no action can correct. yes to everyone and everything. Goodbye to the innocence of Green Eggs and Ham.  Science rules the day. We can say what we want, it is meaningless (or is it?). By the time you know what you are looking at, if you ever do, your innocence will be gone with the moment.  All you can do is move on to the next Dr. Seuss book, if you still have the heart.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

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Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:30:00 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Maybe, in some ways, we must suffer madness to retain sanity?  From nearly 100 years ago.

Desiderata
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

© Max Ehrmann 1927

On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:03:14 UTC+1, archytas wrote:

I'm not sure what a real valid person isn't Allan.  I miss the entertainment.  The science was Kaliber Yawn, but then I'm a 'cold dark' man on physics and anti-traditionalist on god.  I hope you and I would not sit about pondering naked gymnastics for the young and virtue ethics like participants in The Republic, whilst telling slaves to fetch another glass of wine or herbal tea or a 'flute girl'.  We managed to ban Chazwin, a fine chap suffering from cancer at the time.  Manners and politesse can be very nasty.

On Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:14:21 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

As  friend outside ME I enjoyed his private messages and liked him. He was a real valid person. Miss his input.

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

Just about my view Gabby, to be honest.  What would we be saying if we had known Paul Gauguin - see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/8011066/Is-it-wrong-to-admire-Paul-Gauguins-art.html - not that I connect any such lifehistory with Pat.  

On Monday, 29 September 2014 22:15:16 UTC+1, Gabby wrote:

I agree with your analysis, RP. I share Pat's love for patterns and have experienced some of the side effects also. There are times and situations when this shown behaviour is normal. So these behavioural patterns don't really scare me. What got me really upset was the role of "publisher", a windy bubble creationist. The website was so crap, I understood I would not send one penny to this dubious enterprise and that they would not do anything to promote the book. I hope Pat has got more in sync with real people again.

Am Montag, 29. September 2014 02:47:55 UTC+2 schrieb RP Singh:

I have not diagnosed someone's character , rather I have presented my estimate about his behaviour pattern. It is not a judgement but an analysis of  abnormal behaviour.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

We are here to discuss ideas, RP, not the members characters.  Attack on a members character, even if your opinion is in the form of a diagnosis, is clearly outlawed in the guidelines.  Pat shared many interesting ideas in this group, and was appreciated by many of us.  Where I come from, we call an attack on someones character who is not present backstabbing, and is, by any measure, as Mando points out, a breach of trust.  Whether currently participating or not, we are not here to comment on people's character.  If you have any comments on string theory, or any other facet of Pat's book, I suggest you move on to discussing his ideas and away from diagnosing his or anyone else's character.

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 7:22:49 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

I have diagnosed an abnormal behaviour and do not attempt to make personality assessments of normal people.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:43 AM, Richard Blay <rich...@gmail.com> wrote:

So RP, Mr. psychologist, what are you going to write about Gabby if she goes out of communication based on her postings? ;)

On Sep 28, 2014 10:45 PM, "Molly" <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

I reject your opinion and find it uninformed.

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:56:02 PM UTC-4, RP Singh wrote:

Pat was a classical case of paranoid schizophrenia as revealed through his posts. In mental disorders , unlike physiological problems it is not absolutely necessary that you personally talk to the affected person. His disease can be definitely gleaned from his thoughts if they are clear enough , which in Pats case were quite transparent. As for the sub-types of schizophrenia , paranoid schizophrenia is quite unique because it involves paranoid thinking as well. No disrespect is intended towards Pat , a disease is a disease whether it is physical or mental. Besides , for years I knew about Pat's ailment but never voiced it out of consideration for his feelings , but now that for years he has gone out of communication I thought there was no harm in sharing my thoughts with you.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:

He was a very bright guy who offered is knowledge and ideas honestly, and, as you say Allan, without judgement and always with respect.  I will spare you my opinion of a psychologist who, without knowing someone personally and having never seen them professionally, would publicly declare a diagnosis of a person based on Internet group posts.  

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 3:37:17 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

I have a copy also, lol. Took me a while to get it even though I paid for it as soon as I found out it was being published. I have read it .  His book has given me a lot to think about.
Most of all Pat was  friend, and a legitimate contributing member of this group. He was here when I arrived accepting me as I am without judgment.

Which leaves you RP

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

I did buy a copy.  Whatever my opinion of the book, I would never deem it a failure. IMHO, that is up to the author, taking into account his own goals and objectives for the book and its first publication.  If #books sold is anyone's criterion, they will need to reference the facts. I know that Pat worked for several years on that book.  Publicly declaring it a failure seems, to me, extraordinarily harsh, especially if unsubstantiated.

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:57:52 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Did you buy a copy? I did.

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <mind...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

Pat had very high expectations. He believed that his 'BOOK' would sell in millions and bring about a paradigm shift. The failure of his book might have been heartbreaking for him and he might just not be in the mood to communicate with us.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sadly no idea.

On Sunday, 28 September 2014 02:33:28 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

I think of him too, tried contacting his publisher no response.

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:05 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Pat

I can't find him anywhere.  I also think of him from time to time.

On Saturday, September 27, 2014 4:45:33 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Has anyone heard from him he has totally disappeared off radar..

Allan
Living Soul

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