Re: Mind's Eye Re: "A wise man once said."

what is the sound of one hand clapping? This mod has outgrown the referee role and the group has outgrown the need for one.  Those who want a squabble are going to find one somewhere, but not many take the bait in here, although it does happen as in your last post Gabby.  Opinions of dislike expressed about people in here are worthless.  Opinions about ideas will or will not become part of the dialogue.  It is not up to the mods to assign value or insist on directions for the conversation.  Why there is a need for this to be rehashed is questionable, although there seem to be folks still in the group that have trouble with authority and see the "mods" as just that.  

What's left of this group are a handful of people who recognize that years of ongoing dialogue can change us, and are willing to overlook temper tantrums or personal jabs to find a nugget now and then, with the hope that members can outgrow the need to go after each other.  At a time in the group where we are questioning the value of staying on the google platform and find the group somewhat stagnant already, it surprises me that this kind of stuff still goes on, quiet frankly. but here we are.

I am not going to argue with anyone about my posts, my ideas or my role as a moderator.  Happy to dialogue in a constructive way anytime.  If humor can't keep the train on the track then it will probably derail now and then.  C'est la vie

On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:46:19 AM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:

I would write "Pink Bubble Terror" on this Molly's sculpture here and leave it open to the spectator to find it beautiful.

Molly, I don't think Andrew stayed mute on Allan because he feels he is walking through love's country with him. I think he has learned to ignore him, because there is nothing else he can do about Allan's annoying behaviour of constantly pissing at Andrew's leg, which is the result of you mods ignoring his bahaviour. Just saying. And I will keep on saying.

Am Sonntag, 21. September 2014 schrieb Molly :

Most of conflicts and tensions are due to language. Don't pay so much attention to the words. In love's country, language doesn't have its place. Love's mute.

~ Shams Tabrizi

On Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:41:47 AM UTC-4, andrew vecsey wrote:

Molly, I realize that you wanted to stop the bickering but I do not think that you did it the right way. First as a moderator of this group, I think you should have answered Gabbi`s gaberish comment by reminding her to stay on the topic. Second, you yourself took the discussion right off course. Third, you should address your comments or questions to the entire group, and not just to one person. I commend Neil for not biting your bait. Perhaps the problem is that you enjoy the bickering as you once posted a few months ago.  As far as this topic is concerned about "beauty" in the eyes of the beholder (and now suddenly "fame" in the eyes of beholders) I think that beauty has something to do with love. People that I love radiate a kind of physical beauty that they did not radiate before I grew to love them.  As far as fame goes, I think it has to do with marketing. Its not what you know that matters, but who you know.

On Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:25:34 AM UTC+2, Molly wrote:

What do you think the vote in Scotland means to Great Britain and England, Neil?

On Friday, September 19, 2014 5:08:16 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:

What about the needle? Are you afraid it could damage to your pink bubbles?

2014-09-19 22:52 GMT+02:00, Molly <moll...@gmail.com>:
> http://youtu.be/fi2XCsPKlY8  Damage done
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 19, 2014 4:35:39 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>>
>> Whereas I doubt that the damage done can be ignored and suppressed any
>> longer.
>>
>> 2014-09-19 22:09 GMT+02:00, Molly <moll...@gmail.com>:
>> > But I have no doubt that these emotions will be tempered by an
>> > understanding of the feelings of others.
>> >
>> > On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:31:10 PM UTC-4, Gabby wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hahaha, God save the Queen. :)
>> >>
>> >> Am Freitag, 19. September 2014 schrieb Molly :
>> >>
>> >>> Picking on each other seems irresistible at times. It is no substitute
>> >>>
>> >>> for dialogue. Not sure what purpose it serves.  Maybe none. Maybe some
>> >>>
>> >>> kind
>> >>> of personal satisfaction. I try to stay out of it.  Life goes on.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Friday, September 19, 2014 10:05:30 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Molly and Neil do an excellent job as moderators. I would like to
>> give
>> >>>> both of them a long heartfelt ovation for putting up with the likes
>> of
>> >>>> me
>> >>>> and you Gabby.
>> >>>> Thank you  Molly & Neil for a job well done.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Allan
>> >>>> Living Soul
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Gabby Thiede <gabb...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: "mind...@googlegroups.com" <mind...@googlegroups.com>
>> >>>> Sent: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 3:57 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: "A wise man once said."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would prefer you excised your moderation job in a more unartistic,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> less biased way and took your responsibility as group owner more
>> >>>> serious.
>> >>>> But it seems this is only my preference.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am 19.09.2014 um 15:37 schrieb Molly <moll...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> art that is beautiful, art meant to disturb, art that pushes the
>> >>>> technical limits previously established, art constructed not to last
>> >>>>
>> >>>> like
>> >>>> chalk on sidewalks or sand sculptures on beaches - art comes in many
>> >>>>
>> >>>> forms
>> >>>> and can be as simple as a concept in Haiku or complicated as Mt.
>> >>>> Rushmore.
>> >>>> This age old question, will it always be asked and answered? It does
>> >>>>
>> >>>> provide a platform for good dialogue and self exploration.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:05:40 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I agree Facil - though some definition of artist is required.  What
>> >>>>>
>> is
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> this 'art' not part of 1000 channels with nothing on except the
>> >>>>> simulacrum
>> >>>>> of drivel, generally funded by advertising?  I might point to
>> Maxwell
>> >>>>> (perhaps both the great scientist and my dog) and Einstein.  I've
>> long
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> wondered about art and people-community development - I'm floored by
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> people
>> >>>>> using dance to work with disabled kids (as an example).  Brian Bevan
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> (rugby
>> >>>>> leaugue's record try scorer) was a work of art in action.  Gabby
>> might
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>> see as such in another form of side-step.  Not all art brings much
>> >>>>> reward.
>> >>>>>  Allan and Andrew have a go, sometimes not at each other.  Molly has
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> often
>> >>>>> touched me deeply, even if so much of my experience has been 'dark
>> >>>>> side'.
>> >>>>>  The chocolate box picture isn't art unless a child is smiling.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Art may have some function in revealing such as 'change is the same
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thing' and the depravity of political words, the 'lie that tells us
>> >>>>>
>> the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> truth' sort of stuff - but does the 'pipe' have to be painted by
>> >>>>> Magritte?
>> >>>>>   One confronts this picture doing systems analysis - modelling the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> reality
>> >>>>> is not modelling the rhetoric.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 00:31:17 UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I don't think artists do, otherwise the term "starving artist"
>> would
>> >>>>>> be applied less frequently.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:54:57 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ms Tidulz says she has no gold and just looks at her claws when I
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> suggest she should be replaced with a golden goose.  Perhaps one
>> >>>>>>> needs a
>> >>>>>>> heretic cat?  Do artists have some knack in spotting the drivel we
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 'all'
>> >>>>>>> want?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
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