Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

Remember Neil Revenge is not sweet if taken to soon..!

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

'Twisted Facilitator' sounds a good logo for a sculpture Tony!  King James was, of course, a Scot.  Just fixed my gmail after two weeks down - plotting revenge ...

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 17:52:46 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

What difference does it make, ?
Nothing said here is so important it requires special attention.

Revenge is something not worth doing.  lol, but I am aware of a lot of people that would like to take revenge.. Foolish at best usually ill thought out.

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

Mr. Heretic.

This is not the "Aliens" thread.

I never said it was spoken english.  It was a latin vulgate translation anyway, with "enhancements".

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:04:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

Tony king james english was never a spoken english.

As for aliens the problems you are creating in your mind were all factored in.. The real possibility is actually much greater.  10 in the minimum possible..

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: "'facilitator' via \"Minds Eye\"" <mind...@googlegroups.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

My twisted point was that we as a society or individuals can determine right from wrong with

Jurisprudence.  "Judge not lest ye be judged" refers to condemnation.

On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:01:22 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Judges also mislead juries Tony.  I am not sure on Gabby's 'parrot's wee I', suspecting much revenge is communal and to do with loss of face, as in honour killings and genocides.  Judging often lacks judgement in the semantics of it all.  Some revenge is sweet, as in an England win in the coming 4 Nation's Rugby League would be.  In RP's moral terms, revenge is futile.  The word, of course, is slippery.  Taking revenge in terms of sentencing also carries deterrence.

On Monday, 20 October 2014 21:49:06 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

Gabby have ever considered reading what is said rather than what you appear to want it to say..?¿

It seems a good example of being judgmental.

Allan
Living Soul

-----Original Message-----
From: Gabby <gabb...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

Stop barking at my Poly by telling her to pray for the Jesus' One Great God! And keep your 'we' on your baboon hill!

Am Montag, 20. Oktober 2014 16:47:43 UTC+2 schrieb Allan Heretic:

Problem with vengeance is not vengeance but judgment. If one looks at Jesus in the same light as Buddha, both are great teachers in the avatars category.
Because I am most familiar with Jesus I would like to look at the prayer he taught.. The first part The greatness of God is acknowledged and his divine right to rule.. Poly the similarities between Hinduism and Christianity are surprising once you escape the Dogma and doctrine.
Back to the prayer.. the 2nd you are asking  for our needs for the day be met. The 3rd section we are asking to be judged as we judge others. The 4th part you are asking not to be lead into trouble..
What we are interested in is the 3rd part for this discussion.
To be judged by the same standard  we judge others by. It is getting into the karma thing..



Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: polly skid <r.fre...@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <mind...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

Yeah .. the thing is.. we think that some people deserve the hurt they get... might be from us.. or from someone else... how do we restore balance.. what intrigues me is forgiveness.. do you think someone can forgive the murder of their loved one... or some great financial/material loss... now Gandhi comes to my mind.. i never quite agree with his thought.. although having been instructed on him since school.. he believes the turn the other cheek Christianity virtue... but its just so hard to conceive... maybe we cant escape our moral judgement world in any way.. maybe we take revenge becos we think we owe it to ourselves the defense against wrong.. really confusing stuff all this..

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:23 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Chimps do revenge - if you inject one as a vet it will bite you if given the chance over the next couple of days.  Films give us a sense of justice from revenge, though examples I've seen in reality have been pathetic and misguided.

On Sunday, 19 October 2014 19:18:30 UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

The problem today is there is little to be ashamed about, the mentality seems to lead to what one can get away with. The only shame is in getting caught..:-)

That is the political moral standard demonstrated by many politicians, business and religious leaders today. 


Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

The moral gauge I suggest to kids is "never do anything you would not want everyone to know about."  The age of transparency.

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:35:46 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

When the blind follow the blind they both will fall into a pit.

Looking at the justification for moral values little should surprise anyone. The actions vs talk how can there be morals. I was talking with my daughter and she made the comment to me that was an honor yet kind of strange. When she had a situation that she did not know how to deal with it she always asked herself how would my Dad handle it?

Who are the moral compasses today? Who are our guides? Or is it simply does it really matter as all there is what one sees?

Allan
A Living Soul


-----Original Message-----
From: Molly <moll...@gmail.com>
To: mind...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 3:09 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Revenge

I don't know what percentage of humanity is capable or observing self and correcting self, but the longer I live, the smaller I think that number may be. As I look around, i see so many of the people around me acting out their emotions (revenge among them) on others. Not always easy to see if they know just what they are doing and why.

On Sunday, October 19, 2014 8:28:54 AM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Complex stuff Pol.  I get the feelings, but can't remember doing much about them.  Politicians raise it in me as soon as their lips move.  So does my grandson (currently idle, smelly teenager), though 'tough love' doesn't appeal.  Academic criticism often feels a form of it and a lot of projection and ad hom is involved.  In my time, cops used to beat up sex offenders, largely on the basis the court system didn't work.  I used to pursue them for other crimes.  There is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the flaws in others (from the movie Clerks), a sort of revenge.  Many lecturing colleagues took revenge out on students - education generally looks pretty nasty to me.

I like to think I can walk away from it, as in not retaliating in rugby, but I always did within the rules.  Human behaviour is so dire we might be in a constant state of vendetta.  In films the black hats are set up as so bad they deserve what they get.  In reality, we tend to take out revenge on powerless victims.  Child sexual exploitation may be an example.  The victim is usually subject to multiple acts of revenge from supposedly decent people. 

On Sunday, 19 October 2014 12:13:23 UTC+1, pol.science kid wrote:

I was on the internet.. and just came across this tv series called "revenge".. and i was thinking... are we capable of not taking revenge.. regarding matters that affect us too deeply... i have pretty mean vengeful feelings when i feel i have been wronged unjustly.. of course when i cant do anything in the situation i act out my revenge mentally.. plan something to get back to the person ... its quite a revelation when you think yourself quite a decent person.. What do you guys think of revenge.. its dealt with in every movie and television series or novel.. and of course what our instructive morality from 'elders' says is that do not take revenge.. But i think forgiveness is a capacity.. and we are so inclined for revenge.. Since most of you have pretty varied experience in life.. Have any of you ever taken revenge.. or decided not to?

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