Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

Agreed..

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Who can we tell?

One of the issues Mando is we don't understand much about making things better.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:24:08 PM UTC, Molly wrote:

The rich have a much better time of it here, too, Mando.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 6:46:33 PM UTC-4, Mando wrote:

I am much shock!
I thought these were only  happening on our side of the world ( Africa especially Ghana ). I used to blame journalists or the media for that matter, for not taking these kind of social issues up till I watched from the news that people prefer settling matters concerning rape at home than courts, reasons given were many:
families of victims are too poor to hire lawyer(s),
they had no time to follow such cases as the courts keep postponing the ruling  from one date to another,
they cannot make the case public because the family cannot stand the stigmatization...

Woe to you if you do not have a relative in higher authority of the nation because only the rich can make the system or law works. A police man is willing to assist you if only you have something to offer. 'the poor doesn't go to court' as my late grandma would put it

On Oct 29, 2014 8:43 PM, "Molly" <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:

What abuse we tolerate in groups large and small has much to do with our inability to face the issues and take action to solve them.  Fear prevents people from involvement in these truly terrifying human transgressions and ironically, fear creates the personality disorders in the abusers.  I took a pregnant teen parent to the hospital because the father of her kids beat her badly.  He showed up at the hospital and began screaming and coming at her.  The hospital security would have nothing to do with it unless they witnessed him causing her physical injury again, at which point they would not stop him but call the police.  After placing myself between them several times and heated negotiations with the hospital, she and I were given an examining room and he was not allowed to enter.  He did pace the waiting room and gave us a hard time all the way to my car.  I dropped her at her mothers, but don't think things got much better for her after.  She would not file a police report because she had several times and it came to naught, which only escalated the abuse. 

It seems to me that the majority of us have a fear of involvement because it means taking some abuse ourselves from the abuser and his people but from the system too sometimes.  It is easier to walk away, but not more honorable.

On the other hand, I have spoken up at times, put myself in harms way, only to have it work out so that the people I advocate for can flourish.  Buy the ticket, take the ride. Don't expect a thrill every time.

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:40:32 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Latest 'research' in the UK reckons 10% of the CSE problem is stranger- gangs and 90% in the home - maybe 600,000 victims in the country.  Something very similar to this was in the textbooks when I taught social admin in the mid-80s.  I still don't actually know whether it is true or not.

I suspect a much wider problem in a wider, abusive and disabling society.  Answers, like Soviet Paradise, were never answers at all.  What I suspect is massive confusion on data - not in the piffling way we might consider calling it capta.  In a way, scientific and material progress (which I regard as real, if with problems) and its run-up against questions on what life is and should be about (religion?) seem set against each other to prevent argument leading to sensible praxis.  It's very difficult to make the argument about this - it would be far too long for most to listen and contribute.

We have a case here in which Surrey Police gave shotguns back to a man who then killed two women with them - the last woman was killed despite making a 999 call.  The cops commissioned two 'independent' reports from - er - other cops - and have apologised.  It seems Surrey did not follow proper procedures.  Even at this level, argument is extremely difficult - one only has to imagine what the former ME gun lobby would say.  What we lack is public argument that gets sensible things done and recognises we can't expect perfect outcomes.  At what point do we recognise bad outcomes are not just inevitable mistakes but concern corruption, incompetence and widespread system failure - and that 'enquiries' aren't fixing much, if anything, decade on decade?

As a cop who did 'find' victims of CSE, I know that 35 years ago "finance" was a major issue in our failure to investigate and prosecute and not much has changed.  The public has little idea of the cuffing, nodding, skewing and fitting that goes on.  Police statistics are no better than Enron or Tesco accounting, but cops are also a small part of the overall problems in a dire criminal justice system.  All families let down could technically have used Judicial Review to force the proper actions needed - but almost no one can afford Judicial Review, a standard legal Catch 22.  We are now seeing a rush by cops to CSE prosecutions - this really only proves they could have done it before.  Much the same could be said on throwing bankers in jail or the politicians who lied to us or stood by doing nothing on Iraq etc.  Much of what is going on concerns extremely poor work by professionals paid massive sums of money - and the extent to which thieves now run so much and our  disenfranchisement from resourcing decisions.  Chief constables are heard saying we can have either action on burglaries or child abuse prevention.

All this rot takes place in the mad ideology of jawbs-groaf-burn-the-planet financing in which we delay people's retirement just as we have massive youth unemployment and require a degree for shelf-stacking.  We might have to start looking at these matters in terms of how the mad might cure themselves.  I often think of it all as operating under the pheromones of a giant slaver-ant matriarch or set of vampires.  

On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:28:06 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

The problems are well known, how does one go about changing this boxed society?



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