Re: Mind's Eye The fairytale entities

Freud is full of fairytales RP.  I believe in conscious redirection too, though 'personality', 'consciousness', 'the unconscious' and so on are strictly fairytale.  With wolves and silver foxes one finds a one percent sample that lack aggression that let's us breed it out - leading to cutipie dogs - the genetics have much more to do with this than human nurture.  I know of a paedophile cured once his brain tumour was removed.  Remember symbolic interactionism?  I guess we need a coherent understanding of the individual, habitus and habit-over-mind, culture and rationality - plus the ways these are feigned, produced and reproduced.  It might be easier to view the Bible as a diagramme of some sort (whatever) in order to evade the complexity.

On Friday, 14 November 2014 11:29:58 UTC, RP Singh wrote:

Neil, admitted that heredity and environment play a big role in the making of our feelings and thought processes , yet conscious effort made with the correct understanding can change the way of our habitual actions and reactions. Freud, with his psycho-analysis successfully treated many neurotics and I think that we can get out of our habitual emotions,  and thinking if we make conscious effort in the right direction.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:11 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

Much sympathy with the view RP, though genetics-epigenetics plays a big role in such as aggression.  I think Tony gets to a lot of the art issues.  Habit has chronic effects.

On Friday, November 14, 2014 4:19:50 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

We are prone to keep certain feelings in our heart as a response to others' behavior , it is habitual to us and if we change this habit gradually by removing such reactions , our behavior will change. The way we feel and think governs the way we act , our temperament will change if we change this habitual thinking and emotions.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:10 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

Mostly temperament is made up of habits , Neil, you change them and the personality changes.

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:48 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

Biology has changing temperament as very difficult RP.  I've never thought much of shifting heavy stones about for science or religion.  The point of anthropology for me is to work out just how stone age we remain.  Science wins hands down for me against religion of any kind, but only up to a point.  There's a lot of stuff that isn't science that has fairytales - sort of basic fictions aimed more at ways if living rather than the empirical adequacy of science.  Freud's 'depressive' rather than 'paranoid-schizoid' position to view the world is one example - and rather like RP's.

The problem that arises for me in most religion is lack of critical fellowship and the presence of gooey nodding donkey agreement as proof.  I regularly meet people who have read even less of the Bible than me saying it is wonderful.  I am not sure the real fairytales of religion are made clear at all in the way they are examined in science.

On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:33:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:

Good point RP.  So we'll just leave it at that, criticism.  

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