Mind's Eye Re: how close are any of us to the 'deep green'?

I take the fun bit entirely Facil though I'm not keen on a lot that passes as such.  Inclined to see education as pretty cruel child-minding, mostly.  The dogs and cat eat more meat than we do, but I'm not inclined to view them as climate deniers.  The Jewish-Xtian ideology stuff extends to concerns on biggly bang as rather 'creationist'.  Personally, I suspect much of our ideology comes from heroic rot like the Attic tragedies and their endless repetition in cop series and sci-fi.

World population in 1910 was about 1.7 billion - this is more or less the start of WW1 (Italy fooling around in the Ottoman Empire in what's now Libya and the British invasion of Iraq).  With a reasonably sustainable population we made the 'sensible' decision to go to mega-war with the Germans as scapegoat.  I am not inclined to this kind of reason or jawbs-groaf politics.  You could get a £2500 fine for your banana skin here, but 400 new coal mines in India is OK along with plans to mega-frack the UK.  Rest assured I won't be round to take your confession!

I guess environmentalism could be fun - our only Green MP starred in an entertaining party political broadcast last week, as a dangerous threat to the politics of promising what you have no intent to deliver (she got herself arrested at an anti-fracking protest).  The ins and outs of all this are more than double-edged.  I would say, for instance, that the economic control fraud can hardly be discussed because its scriptures are as mythical of any of our 1000s of religions.  Our notions of self-reliance and individualism are 'under threat' from this form of ethics, perhaps because the actions required are not symbolic.

On Monday, December 1, 2014 4:39:43 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:

Double edged sword.  Because we can do a thing doesn't necessarily mean we should do a thing.  I have always (mostly) argued we should first determine if we (Humans) are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.  If we are simply a species that appears and disappears as a result of the evolutionary tactic then everything we do or don't do is irrelevant.  We will die off or evolve and prosper and there is no guide other than chance for any particular direction. We have as little chance of changing the natural course of events as deflecting plasma from sunspots. 

     I do hate the constant inference to some religious bent of Judaism/Christianity as being anti environment.  As the story is outlined the first humans were strict vegetarians and God did not say :"Here is a garden, go shit in it".  I am also tired of the religious left claiming I am a Climate Change (or insert other politically charged denigration here) ie: (Global Warming) denier.  

   "No one EXPECTS the climate inquisition!"

  In general, humans, religious and not, have a tendency to confuse power with responsibility. 

     This morning I threw a banana peel out my car window on my way to work.  I considered that somewhat helpful to the environment but others would disagree.  I think they might confuse clutter with "Green".  I am the only person on my block of about 20 homes who does not put leaves on the curb to be picked up.  I rather mix them with dirt and have better gardens as a result.  (Leaf blowers should be the first thing banned before the XL pipeline!)

 I will tell you what is completely missing from environmental ethics. Fun.   Show them how to make things with stuff!  I think Native americans used every part of a kill. Teaching kids how miserable we as humans are is grotesque.  Teaching them that the layer of breathable air around the earth is about as massive as a thick coat of paint on a classroom globe would be a better start.  If we are unique and somehow important than we need to start smarter.  Chances are we don't have a chance!

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