Re: Mind's Eye Re: Freedom

Creating a time machine in order not to drink good stout already once drunk has no appeal Allan.  Anyway, it's not out until Windows 10.  Time reverses quite well in the simple, but stout drinking is complex.  You can't step in the same river once kinda thing.  On the other side of big bang, time may be going the other way, at least in the sense of two futures.  All we have to do is row there and Bob's your uncle yet to be born.  Pity there is such a shortage of paddles up this creek in creation!

I don't have much truck with this decisions made before the rational moment thingy - I suspect it's often true, but not much of an excuse.  There have been some more recent considerations of RP's deterministic free will - though his version seems to leave sufficient scope to beat rationalisation to me.  The pragmatist version is more or less this:

Philosophers who distinguish freedom of action and freedom of will do so because our success in carrying out our ends depends in part on factors wholly beyond our control. Furthermore, there are always external constraints on the range of options we can meaningfully try to undertake. As the presence or absence of these conditions and constraints are not (usually) our responsibility, it is plausible that the central loci of our responsibility are our choices, or "willings."

I think we have been shirking our responsibilities on the material conditions for the spiritual development of being on the planet.  The dogs are quite sure it is time I stopped shirking their walk conditions.

On Wednesday, 24 December 2014 10:07:57 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

I would think you would charge your mobile phone off the printed photo voltaic shhets your can cover your windows and roof with.  It does exists andis coming on the market   the light sensitive ink has been developed.

There were a lot of good ideas on the site


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لا القتل، والاغتصاب أو استعباد الآخرين
Do not murder,  rape or enslave others

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 9:38
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Freedom

Don't forget you can charge your mobile phone with it too.

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 6:06:42 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Sorry can't resist: they say the winner is a biofuel backpack. . Is that a big bag you carry around to fart into so you can cook yout dinner later?

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لا القتل، والاغتصاب أو استعباد الآخرين
Do not murder,  rape or enslave others

-----Original Message-----
From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 3:15
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Freedom

I like the idea of being free to do stuff like this: http://www.empowering-people-network.siemens-stiftung.org/en/shortlist/?gclid=CITY7obJ3cICFcjLtAodNB8AEA

We can do more than talk, though it is very hard to get into projects like this.

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:36:51 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

Though everything is predetermined we are completely free. It is up to us to remove negative feelings from our hearts and keep good feelings and emotions , it is up to us to change our attitudes and thinking and act and behave in a rational and humanitarian way. Although God is our innermost Being , He is so also of all of us and thus separate from us as we are all separate from each other , and as such it is our choice to keep faith in him and not lose hope even in the most dire circumstances.

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