Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness

Who knows  I drive my doctor nuts because I'm aware of being sick before it shows up..

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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness

I don't know , Allan , what is aware and what is not. I can know only that I am aware and for the rest I can infer that they are so. Maybe even atoms are aware.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:31 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

Why does a state of awareness have to be restricted to organìc matter RP?

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Consciousness

I don't understand all this talk of consciousness as if it were an entity , to me consciousness is simply a state i.e. awareness , and what is aware is the organism. It is like  a sweet which is pleasurable but is pleasure an entity , no it is not , it is simply a quality and the sweet is the entity. So the question is what is consciousness? It is a state of the organism like the dream-state , sleep-state and awake-state. And awareness is strongest in the awake-state of the organism and in the sleep-state awareness is very nominal. So what we are trying to define is a quality and not an entity , so how do you define a quality , can you define pain , pleasure , sweet , sour and such other abstract things , no you cannot!

So as definitions go we can only say that consciousness is a state of awareness of an organism and is an attribute which can be understood and not defined.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:18 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

That's all true RP and part of what many of us are conscious of - though I think governments beyond thinking.  Whether we know what consciousness is or not, we often talk of needed change in it.  I'd go for creating something that removed us from grim material competition - but some have it we would lose all motivation in such a state.

We avoid the real morality, perhaps by talk of unattainable abstracts like a definition of consciousness.  Good start RP.  Maybe Allan will have something to say once he's finished chewing his rock?  I think we need to go deep green on materials and far more compassionate spiritually.  If this actually happened in our lifetimes we'd know consciousness can change.  Love is fine, but expecting it from horrible people is usually not a good strategy.

On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:18:35 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

Neil , since we know that it is our biology which is acting out and that what we are doing it is the gogs which are working shouldn't we be more tolerant , think of ways and means to address questions of terror ,rage , etc. with a more humanitarian way than to meet violence with violence , shouldn't we meet hate with love and understanding knowing that our brethren know not what they are doing , shouldn't we be more compassionate , is retribution the only way , force the only answer , no Neil , our Governments must think of other options.

When our children do wrong we try to help them by counselling because we love them , couldn't we do the same with others knowing them to be our ignorant brethren , couldn't there be some way to make them realize that their philosophy is wrong , their attitude wrong , we must try and seek alternatives otherwise this monster of terror will never die but rise a hundred times with each drop of bloodshed.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

It could even be RP that some disaster in, say, 50 years, which a little change now might help us avert, brings the end of humans.

On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

What would be there if there were no laws of nature --mayhem everywhere , chaos , destruction , anarchy. What if all laws fail ,annihilation--and it might be that the universe will end that way.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:35 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:

Suppose there had been no consciousness and the entire world had been there but all unconscious , what would be the Truth? Just death , nothing else. Consciousness is what makes life , a proof that there is something which exists , Existence itself and not death. Look at the stars , the solar system , if it had self-direction where would we be? It all obeys laws and that is the reason for order in the universe and not chaos. What would humanity have been if we were not bound by our nature , no laws of biology , psychology , etc. , no predictability , no comfort that we would return to our homes at night ,no assurance that we would return home from work . Unpredictability is still there but it is minor , mostly there is satisfaction and assurance of well-being.

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