There are more people living as slaves now than the sum through the rest of history, though the per capita basis is lower. Skin colour has not been the basis of it. Humans have been harvested like any other land crop. The brood parasite ants are slavers. Believe it or not there is PC language in biology insisting we use terms other than slavers, as the poor little sweeties know not what they do. [note to Chris: these PC-types never seem to drink beer and seem to spend their time offering Rebecca Watson coffee in elevators]
-- Now, some make think ants aren't human (indeed, they are much more civilised), but slavery in human communities is very like theirs. In our primitive societies, slavery is largely about stealing women and children. The more civilised we get the more male labour is organised into slavery. The term 'robot' has origins in Eastern European language, meaning 'slave worker'.
Molly puts up a fair description of a lot I found on my travels. I am not as positive about the fixes as my friend. Leadership is a fix that brings many of the problems it is supposed to fix. Just as a clown fish may change sex and go through exponential growth when a leader dies (clearly a biological process), human leaders' brains change once they become leaders. Our debates still lack awareness of the biological issues and the role of genes in lifetime processes, such as the changes in bees from forager to nurse and vice versa. Such doesn't happen in some way as we take on different human roles?
Popper said it mattered less who leaders were and more what control we have over them. Sadly, he didn't elaborate. I think what we call racism is caught up in superiority as RP says, but as with Popper we need elaboration, perhaps in terms of leadership patronage systems. There is a literature (Max Weber) that contrasts fascist economic organisation (current practice) with rational-legal democracy. The latter is supposed to do away with stuff like racism, but assumes we humans are fairly easily rational (which denies our biology).
'White guilt' on racism isn't much use, Pretty much every society has practised it and continues to do so. White male domination is still chronic as we should see in the je suis charlie pictures of the worthies and how these were falsely put together as though marching at the head of the people. I would be happy to see a proper mix of ethnicity and gender in our leadership - but also think this won't matter if we continue to elect into a privilege system with revolving doors into banks and bureaucracies like the IMF, UN and various regulatory and judicial bodies. This and the money system seem crucial parts of the way racism is maintained. US manipulation of finance, oil prices and supply and the vast military umbrella those of us in the West have lived under since WW2 - this is extremely racist and based on American exceptionalism. Most 'Yanks' (a term weirdly based in cheese) take umbrage at this, much as most Brits still can't see the Empire in racist terms. We were slavers and drug dealers, maintaining 50% profit margins on manufactures (down to 5% now). Through history one can replace black victims with white, brown, yellow and the colour of the 'master race'. Much of the problem is that we are all the same, with a biology of pack differentiation and competition.
There's an Adam Curtis video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74-fP3RAep0 - that gets at some of the history we won't look at, though it's currently seen as too sensitive for television and is on BBC i-Player. The underlying racism is pretty clear in this film and isn't simply white.
On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 2:55:15 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote:
On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 2:55:15 PM UTC, Chris Jenkins wrote:
None of us are really here to stay, given the transient nature of life, but I've missed the chance to explore big topics with big brains. G+ gives me more of that than any other social network, but this list has spawned some of the most enlightening conversations I've ever been a part of.And yes, class has far more to do with your chances in life than skin color or gender. I'd rather be Oprah Winfrey than a West Virginia coal miner (nearly invariably white and poor).On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:I'm not back yet but miss you all so much. Racism is about fear, fear of not having enough, fear of getting hurt, fear of what is different. Racism isn't the only diversion of the pathological liar, but in a racist culture, it is often the first best punch. It is all about conflict which is why it is an effective weapon. Anyone who does not hold racism in their viewpoint sees through the absurdity of it. Anyone who as outgrown an ethnocentric world view sees past the ruse, but that does not mean the race card is not played effectively in circumstance filled with fear.The only souls that have responsibility are those who have not transcended karma. They are their own cops. (paradox)overt racism is as prevalent as fear all over the world.I hope Chris is back to stay.I hope Francis will be inspired and also return.Black people don't have lower IQs. Children born into poverty have lower IQs
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 6:32:36 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:Welcome back Molly. I felt so lost in the Mollygone I made Gabby temporarily into you. She was very accommodating. Chris is making a lot of sense, making me very nervous!1. Racism hasn't gone away in any of us. It lurks in biology. Many learn the correct rhetoric, but nothing about the 'underneath'.2. If souls have responsibility we need some transcendental cops.3. Overt racism remains in many countries around the world.Chris is right about the treatment of black people. But what do you say to a black bloke accusing you of racism as a cop when the reason you are talking to him is because he is carrying a car radio in his underpants? Or the mother in a Pakistani heritage community claiming you are racist because you have arrested her son and husband for the street grooming and rape of a white kid?4. The issue is tougher to resolve than we put up in argument. Racism is about exploitation. If black people as a group have low average IQs, are we likely not to exploit them in a world in which people are generally exploited for this, in an education-based "meritocracy"?
On Monday, 26 January 2015 12:44:51 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:Your soul is responsible for your actions
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message-----
From: Gabby <gabbydott@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye RacismNot strange at all how you bend moral and knowledge. A soul by its very nature cannot justify, it is a holistic concept.--
Am Samstag, 24. Januar 2015 20:32:06 UTC+1 schrieb Allan Heretic:Strange how a soul justifies what it knows to be immoral.
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Jenkins <digitalp...@gmail.com>
To: Minds-Eye <mind...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye RacismOf course there, Fac, but we're not talking about real thuggishness; we're talking about a crafted media message."But isn't it funny how quickly young black men become "thugs" post mortem."Trayvon Martin was never a thug until he was dead at George Zimmerman's hands.--On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:23 PM, 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" <mind...@googlegroups.com> wrote:Got everything but the "Post mortem Black thugs.There are thugs in all varieties.--
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