Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass

Are they not great. Considering the soul has no gender  whats the problem?

As for 112.. I have been telling you that the body is nothing more than a bottle for aging and maturing the soul..  same thing different words  .

And you are right..  you would you would be lynched.. people have a minor problem when you challenge their beliefs.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass

Took me a while to find it, but I recommend these lines reported by Thomas:

114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."

Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

I'd be lynched in one of my own classes if I said this.

And Allan's a bit out in the cold on this one:

112. Jesus said, "Damn the flesh that depends on the soul. Damn the soul that depends on the flesh."

You just have to love it.  An all male heaven, except for those who sneak in after an operation in 'Brazil'.  Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

No one shoot the messenger on the above, please.

 

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 9:47:21 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

I am a fan of doubting Thomas too..  cool dude  he went into Egypt and India.   You can read his teachings in the Gospel of Thomas.. Coptic teachings from what I understand..  someone wrote down what he said and taught.
It is very interesting as they are the only writing directly attributed to sn actual apostle of Jesus.. saul of tarsus commonly know as paul never even met Jesus. . Peter and the other actual apostles didn't care much for him from what I understand..
The Christian gospels the earliest some 60 years after Jesus's death  there are a lot of historical record problems. . Like paul's miracle cure from a poisonous snake bite.. archological record indicate there are no poisonous snakes inhabiting Malta.. .  Leaves doubt.  A lot of conclusion jumping.  Old testement and moses.. love it  archeology is showing the pyramids were built by labour unions. .  Definitely not slaves 
So what it comes download to is truth and what is fable..  easy to justify what you find of value the rest throw in storage  it may make sense later..
I am lucky as i have no problems with the existence of God due to psychotic episodes i choose to call spiritual experience(s)..l  am a great believer in sharing as everyone ones has a gift(s) to contribute.

As for education IQ test have some good qualities  but they only show part of the truth. As for education. My Dad did his doctorate in education. .. as my dad associate professor at the time all the professor brats were subjected doctoral research testing.. amazing what kids can learn.. lol  poor teachers. What we learned you do not teach teenagers. . 

Society has its problems lack of internal guidance is a major problem.  I like what has and is being said.  Very positve and uplifting. I think we are on a good start.





تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compass

Molly - we've been friends too long for you to think I mean this in any nasty sense - but this is also the fascist credo.  Quite obviously not what you mean and something I'm sure you stand against.  Once you have the light, not grounded in Reason, it excuses anything.  Reason itself is even problematic once one becomes so sure you have it.  Candy rots teeth.

We might get round the problems with love.  It didn't help Moses any with the Midianites and seems a rather vain hope.  I had a friend who wished she had been born good.  Temptation to the directive light is obvious.  Yet this and other 'inner subjective' claims are the easiest to lie about.  Of course, the only enlivening part of the Bible for me was Doubting Thomas.  I suppose number one for me is wondering whether the preacher is any different from a double-glazing salesman.

Heidegger argues that, in the present crisis, we are waiting for a god who will reawaken us to the poetic, and thereby enable us to dwell in the fourfold. This task certainly seems to be a noble one. Unfortunately, however, it plunges us into the murkiest and most controversial region of the Heideggerian intellectual landscape, his infamous involvement with Nazism. Heidegger sometimes seems to use the term 'god' or 'divinity' to refer to a heroic figure (a cultural template) who may initiate (or help to initiate) a transformational event in the history of Being by opening up an alternative clearing. These heroic figures are the grounders of the abyss, the restorers of sacredness (Allan's avatars, perhaps).

Which brings me to my second.  I want to know from real history, not text rendered holy.  This may be because I'm Protestant and don't like priests telling me where to learn from.

Molly always get me going!

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 12:09:48 PM UTC, Molly wrote:

At some point, we give up all the do nots and live according to a guiding light (is it a principle?) that needs no words, but includes all creation in love. (sacred heart of Christ? Am sure each form of faith has a symbol for it) Until we know this (and have to feel it first) creeds and moral compasses, affirmations and mantras, candy in many forms sweetens the pot we sit on.

On Monday, February 2, 2015 at 6:55:20 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:

The objective is a social experiment..  starting with a moral guideline. Or as RP put it creed which is probably Is better word to use..

I have cut and pasted the different moral guides members use in day to day life.. they are submitted for easier study.

Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being...
Love my neighbor as myself
As I judge other so too will I be judge
Do No Harm
Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others
Avoid being enslaved by possessions

Molly :-)
It's a Sufi saying: Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates. At the first gate, ask yourself 'Is is true.' At the second gate ask, 'Is it necessary.' At the third gate ask, 'Is it kind.

RP :-)
My moral compass
Don't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right thing.
do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family.
Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse.
Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others.
Don't be angry but take care to do your duties.

Chris:
 If it harms none, do as you will.  :-)

Neil:
I don't really do creed Allan.  Found too many people who talk them and mean none.

Molly made a comment about the end of my own submission which I thought was valid so I chopped it..  only because it was my own submission I felt free to modify  without group input.

All of the submissions I found fascinating. The award for the most original goes to RP. The difference in cultures shows up well. His submission is extremely honest.. Molly's is an excellent way of handing the events of day to day basis. Chris's guide is another of wicca in general (a poor attempt humor)  ☆ "burning at the stake is not allowed" . Neil's no guideline and reasons given are very valid, showing effort not to fall into te next category.

This category can maybe  best described as a cork (being nice) floating in the ocean of humanity being tossed around by whichever direction the wind is blowing or the current flowing caught within the gyres of greed and  selfishness fostered by the news, games and entertainment.

To have a successful experiment we need to design a common moral guidelines for the experiment. So gentle people start your shredders.
 





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