You have to accept before you do and if you cannot accept the process stops. You have to keep some framework in your conscious mind to keep a conscious check on yourself and it is not a creed but a way of living , trying to improve yourself as a person. Now what wrong could be there in having self-respect and not being arrogant , what wrong in not being greedy and not have anger issues. If you want to stop smoking you have to first take the decision to stop , then only can you give the effort.
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't really do creed Allan. Found too many people who talk them and mean none. Chris' statement is probably as close as I get, but this soon doesn't work in practice. Doing no harm to others quickly proves difficult. We do this in the West simply by living as we do, praying to the Lord or otherwise. In some philosophy, all speech has a hostile element,as does censorship on what can be said.The first thing for me is evidence. This is an extremely difficult topic. Molly's God is quite acceptable to me, but my evidence is not direct. I only feel 'him' in her words (even this in evidence terms is inadequate - 'words' - we have never met).The next is probably what Allan is trying to do here. I have some conception of myself as a person and the turmoil of my thought and making sense of stuff. Other people have often proved to have much better (and much worse) ideas and been prepared to share them. George Kelly springs to my mind on this - http://www.centrepcp.co.uk/whatis.htm - and personal construct theory.I approve Allan's efforts here (though it's important to me he need no such approval) - but immediately think we have a lot of material from all over the world and hundreds of different cultures (there are this many on Papua New Guinea alone). What of the evidence we have from them, against our predominantly 'white insularity'?Evidence, imagination and trying to do the right thing. Read about Socrates in Plato, but remember the fine words came from the free table at the head of a slave society. Hear about the Good Samaritan, but wonder why we still have a society of 'worthies' that just pass on by, perhaps to their church of peace.Gabby doesn't live down a rabbit hole in Seven Acres Park Allan. I thought she might not be answering the dogs' knocks because she doesn't like me, so asked the woman with the ferrets (she is real) to have them check. The world of imagination is such that when Gabbs says 'it smells in here' it could be because she has just come in, or she may be the little child pointing out the Emperor is naked. Language is harder than we think. I have 'one smart little cookie' in mind about Gabby. This could be chronic sexism, patronising, an insult to cookies - or a quick utter of something I think that isn't quite that - or an offer to be beaten up by politically correct bullies. Walk with me into the rabbit hole of !Kung society - we would find no adult twins and we might ponder genetics - in fact, infanticide is common in their tough world. Would we think badly of them? They have creed.It goes dark at night, therefore big bang. I prefer the way scientists explain this to instruments of torture. Doing no harm to others collapses with je suis charlie. Religion sounds very selfish to me. Yet one can admire Salvation Army people doing a soup run, despite their views on homosexuality. Would I kill the second born twin? Down the !Kung rabbit hole I probably would as !Kung. So where does creed come from?I'd like us to live in evidence based practice. Why we still speak of creed in today's world of Public Relations appals me.
On Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 10:07:28 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:Neil are you sure Cabbies hiding in a rabbit hole?? Would like the guidelines she and the rest of the ME following..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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From: Chris Jenkins <digitalprecipice@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compassIt's difficult to boil something as complex as personal moral relativism down into some simple edicts. I suppose the closest I could add would be:- If it harms none, do as you will.--On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:I hope others doctrine their personal moral ideas to the discussion. The more we have the better ,, that includes you Chris. And Neil.
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Moral compassMy moral compassDon't fear anything , but use your reasoning faculty to do the right thing.do not covet but earn and save for the needs of yourself and family.Do not be lustful but be happy with your spouse.Do not be arrogant but respect yourself and others.Don't be angry but take care to do your duties.--On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:If you want a social experiment we need to set up moral guidelines from which to work.. if you disagree with them that is fine. ,, no problem.. just remember it really is a social experiment,, you need to come up with what your personal moral compass to replace it.. it is not a cut and paste exercise. My compass is around 500 created in length,, presentations should around that length.
My Compass:
Love the Allfather with my whole Soul & being...
Love my neighbor as myself
As I judge other so too will I be judge
Do No Harm
Avoid murder, rape or enslavement of others
Avoid being enslaved by possessions
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Jesus said "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the light of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered."
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