Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

That is all true RP and fine if we are internalising the right stuff.  Philip Larkin's poem suggests this may not be true{

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.   

    They may not mean to, but they do.   

They fill you with the faults they had

    And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn

    By fools in old-style hats and coats,   

Who half the time were soppy-stern

    And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.

    It deepens like a coastal shelf.

Get out as early as you can,

    And don't have any kids yourself.

Western individualism takes little account of this cultural transmission. 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:01:50 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:

It is the presence of the better you, your superego which is always present, watching you all the time. It is the inner voice, developed in you through your infancy, childhood and adolescence , called conscience, a strong check in some and ignored in others.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:32 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

In the religion I soaked up young, there was omnipresence - a bit like Prism or some of the ideas of More's Utopia or Bentham's panotican.  The presence of a surveillance form or parental 'governmentality when they are absent'.

But words don't seem to mean much and millions of them are wasted.

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:01:49 AM UTC, archytas wrote:

Tricky multi-meaning word.  One desires to be in the presence of god in an afterlife - making it a future term.  We use it instead of charisma - she has presence.  And there is a long history of philosophy of presence.  I take presence in a more general sense of what we are not aware we have placed outside our designs in our virtual appreciation.  The words get tough, but there is an 'unsensed' we can 'touch'.

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:50:53 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Ben doing a lot of thinking about presence since it became a realization for me. oddly when I kind of need some escapism or just diversion I turn to the ' I Ching ' for something to think about.  Originally  it was a book today I have an electronic version.

I am still amazed at the spiritual insights written thousands of years ago..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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