Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

Not only how we respond to our external environment, but how we create our internal environment with disorganized and incoherent systems of thought, feeling need etc. There is increasing evidence that the state of this internal environment changes our DNA over time (epigenetics.)  We make choices every second, and yet, until self will and divine will match (a mystical point) there remains the opposition that prevents peace (duality) I find more and more that we share concepts, but the language we use to explain our view of them gets in the way of understanding.

On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 4:25:35 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:

It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here.

"We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a natural predetermined process.

Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to chose how we respond to our environment.  Without free will the soul might as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no choice involved..

This is exactly the same point you joined the group with..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

Allan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and as such acceptable to me.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

See RP  we both agree that God existed before the creation of the universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence

Neil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as presence, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the univocity of meaning.

Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here.  To admit to hypocrisy may be to admit the truth.  For some postmodern writers, one has to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at work and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal family, when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were gay).

Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments.  Humour can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes.  Those of us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know more than them, those who claim to know everything".  This doubting process, in science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that anyone, in principle, can demonstrate.  This is rarely the case in ordinary living.

Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god.  It would be good to feel such a presence, but I don't.  He had the instruments of torture to contend with for that matter.  There is a presence of thinking on god without ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without the dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy.  The admission of perplexity is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of sensory deprivation.

I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so vague they are empty.

On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:

Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy.

I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself.  I claim spiritual superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude adjustment.  I want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all of the square holes I have encountered.  Maybe only 1 out of three times do I turn the other cheek.  And, I am definitely superior to most of the people I meet in this life.   My spirit is ill equipped to take on a higher plane of existence.

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