Words are used to convey meaning, yet meaning can still be communicated in simple language as long as the idea is clear in the mind. If you have clarity of thought you will communicate meaning in some way or other, flowery language is not a necessity. Allan, you have enough words to communicate, just develop clarity of thought.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
(sigh) if only my english was so good..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceEquafinality is a word most have not heard, yet just means there may be many roads to the same outcome. Id, ego and super-ego are just terms from Freud and various origins in religion and literature (Attic tragedy, Goethe, Shakespeare). Some receive 'I think therefore I am' as 'clever', others mistrust the grounding, even of doubt, in this glib form of philosophy based on "presence". Like Allan, some have it that this wordy-merdey is just a form of dominating presence itself. Science can easily beat people up by asking them to integrate, differentiate, work out vectors, draw curves from data and even do and record some simple measurements. If Gabby and I met (and the bullets missed), we would have to speak in English for me to understand as my German is even more schoolboy than the rest of me. Unless blind, most of us could look down a microscope and see Brownian motion (bits from pollen grains buffeted by molecules), but most of us lack the language to understand this (one does not see the molecules or the physics of a potential pathway to the stars).--Tony's tent is not a bad example of a tensor system (Einstein - but the ideas come from how bridges stay up), though guy-ropes need some slack as I remember."With respect to many, if not most issues, there exist significant differences of opinion among individuals who seem to be equally knowledgeable and sincere. Individuals who apparently have access to the same information and are equally interested in the truth affirm incompatible perspectives on, for instance, significant social, political, and economic issues. Such diversity of opinion, though, is nowhere more evident than in the area of religious thought. On almost every religious issue, honest, knowledgeable people hold significantly diverse, often incompatible beliefs.""Alston suggests that our inability to describe the elements of religious-mystical experiences from a phenomenological point of view does not imply that they lack a distinctive phenomenology, or that they fail to be directed at some mind-independent reality, in rather the way that sense experiences are. We lack a relevant vocabulary, he argues, because we cannot construct any simple correlation between a range of "stimulus conditions" for mystical perception and the kinds of experience which are likely to arise under those conditions. And therefore we cannot refine a vocabulary for the description of mystical experience by replication of relevant conditions and renewed attention to the phenomenology of the experiences that occur under those conditions. By contrast, there is no difficulty in general in specifying the phenomenology of an experience of, say, turning one's face into a breeze, because it is easy to recreate the stimulus conditions for such an experience, and we can therefore attend repeatedly to the character of the experience. And since others can also do this, we can establish a public language for the description of such experiences."It all gets wordy-merdey pretty quickly and many are not good with words or other forms of representation. Sue is just back from work and my heart skipped a beat (not really of course) and yesterday Max swam the river to get to a family of deer on the other side. I thought I might have to rush across to save the deer from harassment, but the lad just looked, seemed to chat and came back. A snake told me he wasn't a serpent (well, he actually told me that with different HOX genes he would have fingers to make the appropriate gesture to artists for there aeons of misrepresentation). It is true snakes could grow legs if we could manipulate their HOX genes. The rest is not something we should be silent on. I can explain the HOX set-up in detail. The mystic is more difficult. In fact, the detail of presence, is overwhelming.
On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:15:24 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:Allan, O.K. it is just a discussion, but tell me how I am threatening or controlling." the problem develops in the threatening and controlling manner that is implied.. "On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:27 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:Good morning world,, omnipresence if I didn't know better I would think it was RP type word.. I has the same type of d&d.
One I think that is one of those teachings though in reality it is actually true,, the problem develops in the threatening and controlling manner that is implied..
To me it seems many theologians are all about mudding the issue be insisting they have the only true and accurate understanding of what is said. Very closed minded in how ideas are viewed. There seems to be a need to have an attitude of my God is greater than your God.
I think what I am always searching for is how to have a closer harmonious interaction with the presence as I understand him. The I Ching is one resource I use when I need to make am important decision. I like reading the I Ching ( tossing the coins ) creates a randomness in thought. Oddly I never
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceOkay, let me try once more. Apart from the presence there is the superego and the baser drives that in one way or another serve the presence. The One is the frame within all this is bound to happen. Better now?
Am Mittwoch, 25. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>:--Nope, the presence is the better you and the worse you, the superego is developed through the stages of your life whereas the worse you , the id , are your baser drives which continuously challenge you and corrupting your reason as well. The One is the source behind the universe which inexorably binds everyone so subtly that it is hard to understand.--On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Gabby <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:It is the "presence of the better of you" that had Neil remind you of the "presence of the worse" also. Only when both sides are integrated, he would allow for "true". I conclude the true presence can be situated in the past, present, future and would match your definition of the One. Right?
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