Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb :
--You are funny Gabby..They have settled the issue in a respectful and accepted way, in case you missed that point Allan. Go lolling elsewhere now until you have cooled down.
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From: gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com>
To: "minds-eye@googlegroups.com" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Presence
Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb :--Yea RP answer Polly.. you can always send the message via pvt email.. lol
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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From: polly skid <r.freebird@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceDo you live in Delhi RP.. Cos Vam was from Delhi too.. You're probably irritated i asked you again.. ;p
On Feb 27, 2015 8:35 PM, "RP Singh" <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:--Gabby, I don't mind Allan getting angry with me, in my country there are many Hindu zealots going around persecuting young girls who wear western attire because they think that they are spoiling Hindu culture. It is the same all over the world , the world is full of fundamentalists though I don't consider Allan to be one.--On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 7:40 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:Matchmaking at your own double-standards ... Yes please explain to RP how to be the Hindu God you expect him to be ... Great theatre here today
Am Freitag, 27. Februar 2015 schrieb :In my simple point of view anyone that follows the teachings of anyone of the Hindu Gods falls into the category of being Hindu.. and you fit that description by your own words.
I do accept you as you are. Over the years i have watched evolve some interesting ideas only to watch you to return
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceYou received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group.Allan, I never said that I am a Hindu, I don't believe in any religion. I take what I want and discard what I don't. As for agreement, do as you please. I have accepted you with your viewpoint and if you can't accept me as I am, I don't see any need of a rational discourse.--On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:56 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:RP i am going to get really blunt with you . There is no human mind of can even begin to understand and comprehend the uncreated God.
All your arguments you present are to show dissimilarities. By Hindu teachings say that everything returns to the uncreated God.. that teaching alone gives at least some of the uncreated God some form of physical presence.
The argument you are presenting RP is saying Hinduism is full of shit.. sorry RP some of what you are saying does not hold water logically or illogically. Using similarities to demonstrate an idea is just that it creates a path to follow. I wrote it to help show you how to create a better argument. But true to form you only find disagreement. I am desperately try to find agreement. I have no idea what you want..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceYou are talking, Allan, as if god had some form and from that form he made the material universe and the human souls. The difference of your and my philosophy starts here only. God has no form from which he creates, he does so out of his creative power. Again there are material laws and biological laws, the material laws govern the physical universe whereas the biological laws govern the sentient world. We laugh and smile when our grandchild does something cute, that is because we have a 'love drive', we fall in love with a woman because we have a 'sex drive', we start searching for food because we have 'hunger'. Biology, psychology and sociology have relevance only when we are driven by nature, if we were free these subjects wouldn't be. Again, Allan, I admit that your view is important as it is a result of your experiences and your capabilities and is logical to you,and it is as such that I appreciate and accept your view, but that doesn't change my viewpoint as it is my logic and I am confident that such is truly the case.--On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:I think where your arguments and logic fail is in separating the material reality and the spiritual reality.. you are treating them as the same material bound by the same laws. Maybe an invalid comparison would be a stem cell which creates the entirety of the body. As the body grows the stem cell evolves into different forms, skin cells, heart cells, muscle cells, nero cells. Each cell is totally different from the other cells preforming functions totally different than those of the other cells. Each type of cell originates from the simple stem and no longer resembles the stem sell from which it originated.
Now if we look at the essence of God similar to the role of the stem cell. The essence of God evolves into the different materials that make universe and the laws that govern it (remember there are different that control materials like solids are guided by different laws than those governing liquids or solids.
Even though souls are created from the same essence of God the Soul is evolved differently than say a rock and follows different guidelines.. your logic does not allow for the different evolutions of the essence of God.
You are semi correct but your logic needs to start allowing for different material evolution. The logic you are presenting is saying that if you need a heart transplant it is okay for the doctor to replace it with a granite stone because the stone obeys exactly the same laws of God as the heart does.. right,?or
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceAllan, it is an old debate, I tried to explain my viewpoint to Lee but without success. What I am saying is that it is the 'I' which strives and acts but the 'I' is just the medium, in the background is the Spirit or God which has laid down rules which bring actions of men into a harmonious whole. If everybody was free there would be chaos, but the reality is that man is bound by nature within him and outside him and so there is harmony. But that is not all, there is still strife which makes life interesting and gives us accountability for our actions.--On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:55 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:It is not the source of creation i find difficulty with.. it is here.
"We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a natural predetermined process.
Your predetermination theory is where the problem lies.. predetermination removes free will. And free will is what allows us to chose how we respond to our environment. Without free will the soul might as well be a boring old robot running its unending program with no choice involved..
This is exactly the same point you joined the group with..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceAllan, in subjective matters proving your point is difficult if not impossible, I cannot prove my logic about God or the Source of creation. If people think that I am illogical, I can do nothing about it. I don't find your views correct, yet they are your views and to you they are logical and as such acceptable to me.--On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:18 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:See RP we both agree that God existed before the creation of the universe.. beyond that your theology and logic becomes questionable..
تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
-----Original Message-----
From: RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
To: Minds Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: PresenceNeil, why think of God in the usual way, think of him as something before the big bang from which the universe emerged. Think of him as the mind which contained the unmanifest which became manifest as the universe. We know that there is predetermination but why think that he has predetermined, think that it all naturally happens and evolution is a natural predetermined process. Why should God be aware like us, as the source of all he need not be bound by the limits of consciousness and can very well be unconscious. Have faith in such a God and your destiny.--On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:19 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:Postmodernism is supposedly a set of critical, strategic and rhetorical practices employing concepts such as difference, repetition, the trace, the simulacrum, and hyperreality to destabilize other concepts such as presence, identity, historical progress, epistemic certainty, and the univocity of meaning.Tony could be seen as replaying the liar's paradox here. To admit to hypocrisy may be to admit the truth. For some postmodern writers, one has to go further than any set of analytic rules and recognise madness at work and restriction of dialogue to safe metaphors like Freud's Oedipal family, when the world of real desire is very different (quite a few writers were gay).Skepticism, over many centuries, has taught a kind of suspension of judgement to a point when one works with many different arguments. Humour can often be the only thing left after rigorous doubting, a kind of self-depreciation in the face of conflicting evidence and themes. Those of us who 'know nothing' still know how to jibe "and even this is to know more than them, those who claim to know everything". This doubting process, in science, comes to at least a temporary end in crucial experiments that anyone, in principle, can demonstrate. This is rarely the case in ordinary living.Descartes had it that we could undergo these difficult skeptical processes with faith in a warm, benevolent god. It would be good to feel such a presence, but I don't. He had the instruments of torture to contend with for that matter. There is a presence of thinking on god without ancient fable, much as there are ways of thinking on economics without the dominating manners of neo-classical fantasy. The admission of perplexity is something of a start, but has something of the vulnerability of sensory deprivation.I am interested in the still mystical point of argument resolution after doubt that is not merely conviction, superiority.or promises so vague they are empty.
On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:12:31 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:Of course Allan! My narcissism is baptized in hypocrisy.I espouse to walk in the light and yet there are plenty of "Neighbors" I don't treat better than myself. I claim spiritual superiority and yet find myself in constant need of attitude adjustment. I want world peace but have done little to push that round peg into all of the square holes I have encountered. Maybe only 1 out of three times do I turn the other cheek. And, I am definitely superior to most of the people I meet in this life. My spirit is ill equipped to take on a higher plane of existence.--
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