Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist

Thats true,  I was thinking more of the US political /religious system..   Some churches are very good others not so good because of the golden calf factor..

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist

Religions are closely linked with the treatment of others, including strangers.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 9:31:57 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Faith in the social system? 

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist

That is the question pol.  I have faith that lead carbonate will turn yellow at 78 degrees, at least in Earth laboratories.  Spent today cleaning up after my grandson - little faith in him and considering a ban.  I take people as they come.  Not so much about faith in them as hoping they may have common interests - fairly rare for me.  Thee seem to be things to hope for requiring faith.  Most people expressing faith seem to be doing something else to me, in the religious sense.

The big one for me is faith in social systems' claims on what they are really doing and can do.  That looks bleak.  

On Monday, 23 February 2015 20:15:52 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

Interesting  questions Polly, I think the faith we are discussing  is generically  classified as a power greater than we are.

Faith in others. That is an interesting  l)question..  Personally  I try give people the benefit of trust. Until that trust is broken.. A lot of people don't  care if they are dishonest toward others.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: polly skid <r.freebird@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheist

Faith in what?? I know you mean Faith faith, but, speaking of faith.. Why do you think it's tough to have faith in other people...

On Feb 23, 2015 11:30 PM, "archytas" <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

We might ask at what point faith is so obviously delusional as to give it up and whether faith can be given up?  Obviously, religions can be given up at the drop of a conqueror's hat, despite all previous professions of faith.  So do we overdo faith as an internal matter?  Without the external misery, scarcity and so on, would there be much need-demand for inner self-development offered as peaceful light at the end of the tunnel in better external environments?

I don't find people working much on inner integrity and much more on image management and backing down to the chief barker.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 5:03:43 PM UTC, archytas wrote:

Reminds me a bit of trying to do a Rubik's cube my nephews had rendered impossible by peeling labels off to 'complete' it.  We had a debate today with our current Chancellor of five years being blamed for doing nothing on tax evasion-avoidance and in turn blaming his predecessor for doing nothing five years ago.  Clear proof of just how useless our system is and an argument rather like Tony's shape and lack of colour here.  I suspect a diversion of our faith to the kind of contentment we strive to achieve in domestic herds.

On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 4:23:35 PM UTC, facilitator wrote:

"Faith-Reason"

"Contentment comes at a very high price, anxiety and fear are often sold to secure the debt"  (™)

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