There may be little worth 'achieving' in the standard senses. We tend to like a trier. Molly talks about a quiet mind and the inner change bringing different external response. RP has an a priori code to lay matters before god. I see an interactive process in which consciousness is barely an individual matter of rationality at all. The arguments are ancient, mostly arising in the East and adapted into Greek. Even the origins of modern science are shrouded in myth (I just typoed 'origons' and felt it appropriate). In common English usage, RP outlines a 'philosophical approach towards life', though if we look into this there are many.
-- The presence I feel concerns doing the right thing. We are not progressing well on this as a wide society and I sense science as a religious code increasingly telling us we need a wider shift in awareness. This is extremely difficult to articulate, and we end up with many slogan forms of 'education, education, education'. Plato wrote at least seven books on this. Education remains mostly a failure. Essentially, we have become scholastic and sweep difficulties away in mounds of rationalisation. A lust for simplicity arises.
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 8:43:59 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 8:43:59 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:
For all practical purposes, the will to strive is in our hands , we can put in effort or let ourselves loose. If you have done well you must be happy and content but not arrogant, similarly if you have not put in much effort and failed to progress you should be dissatisfied but not depressed. That's how I take it, Neil, and yet I have not achieved much in life and can be called a failure by most people.On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:55 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:I can see what you mean RP. I was reasonably content with a belief that we were progressing and not much had to matter beyond being a cog in the wheel. More recently, perhaps over the last twenty years, it seems almost nothing flowing past in the more general world was as represented at all.
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 6:24:03 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:Every work you do should be a challenge and you should strive your uttermost, but you could still lay it as a sacrifice before God because you are predetermined by the laws made by god. It is needed to keep arrogance at bay because success mostly gives a swollen head.Those who are not that fortunate and mostly err in their works get depressed easily and need this safety valve to stop recriminating all the time.On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:42 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:Not where the challenge lies for me.
On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 12:13:37 AM UTC, RP Singh wrote:I don't see the ways Molly uses to achieve inner peace, but have my own methods which can easily be tried by everyone. Whatever you experience lay it at the door of God, and whatever you do lay that also at the door of God. The truth is that God or Nature is primarily responsible for everything. If you do this it is easier to achieve inner peace as feelings of arrogance and depression are replaced by a calmness of mind. When the mind is calm the best ideas come to a person and logic works better, but , of course, you can do this only if you believe in absolute bondage.On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:30 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:That's rather to individualistic for me Molly - though I don't disagree with the spirit of it, with reservations about the possibility this could be a construction of govern-mentality in the subjective.
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:35:28 PM UTC, Molly wrote:Relating through inner peace does require a different skill set, and can upset everything we have learned about people (and some of what we know of ourselves.) As daunting as a whole new operating system that requires learning all new settings. Once you get through it, you find that people respond differently to you in the same circumstance. The change is in you, not others or the world.
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 1:01:17 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:Some minds were so troubled, suicide was the option on failure to resolve difficult problems (Bolzman supposedly etc). Skepticism lets us see things might be different (obviously in very real ways on things as atoms or whatever else they divide up as, still leaving what might be important to find), but leaves certainty in a quandary, including certainty about skepticism. Logics fail to escape this quandary too, though we don't use them in practice to reach certainty - more to know what pathways work and those that don't. There may be no gods, yet we can also suppose worlds with them and wonder which we think would be better.Mostly RP, we think theories arise in intuition and a lot of early decisions we make on approximation, choice of mathematical systems, measurement and separating facts from fairy stories - but this too tends to be philosophical work done after the fact. Any purity of origin is disputable rather than logical. But it is all much to do with recognising different ways to do things and respect for that difference. Logical and mathematical systems all seem to have an 'outside' that the inner consistency relies on.Molly's quiet mind is something of an aspiration. I don't see the switch the car off metaphor as mind seems very active when we think it's switched off because we have lost awareness. I am more 'RP' on this in that we need security. Much mind for me is external and embodied in the social-technological.Presence, as Allan has just said, is often ineffable. It is very difficult to relate through inner peace too.
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 11:57:09 AM UTC, Molly wrote:I agree with Neil's statement that it is sometimes hard to see beyond the apparent horror of the presence manifest. Just as it is hard to not be distracted by the perceived beauty. Somewhere in there, we get caught up in the mental gymnastics of judgment and logic. Life to me, is more peaceful and joyful if I can suspend all of that. I don't leave my car running when I don't need to use it.Yet my car is an integral part of my life. I've found my mind to be much the same, an important mechanism that if I keep it well maintained and stored, is there and running at peak operational capacity when needed. That presence can be experienced much more profoundly with a quiet mind, IMHO
On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 6:20:57 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:Started working on a reply.. But like somethings I write they just disappear and I can't explain it..
Neil is very correct when he is saying he feels a presence. When I reglect upon my personal experiences what I am experience it is a presence that I am interacting with..
Thank you Neil for the very deep insight.
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Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
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Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: The religious atheistCreation is not a work of hand but will , if something manifests and evolves it is the work of will, not necessarily a will like ours and not by a conscious being like us but by the Being which scientists are conjecturing as something before the big bang , the cause of it. To me that Something is God as that is the origin of the universe.--On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:Big bang is not necessarily a creation event RP. God from logic? I prefer the ghost buster business plan. I feel some presence is all.
On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 4:06:12 PM UTC, RP Singh wrote:The conclusion that it exists is a product of logic, Life had to come out of something and what better than the One. It is logical to believe that all come out of One and not the many.On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:17 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:First you said it was hiding behind the many, now you are saying it is above all. May I ask what it is that makes you so sure it exists, if the mapping is so complicated? How do we know we are not falling for a ghost buster business model?
Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>:--The One is not present in the past , present and the future , rather it is time , past , present and future which is preent in the One. The One is above time as it is above all.--On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:38 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:Why should that One have the need to hide behind the many, when ever present in past, present and future? I would understand if it wants to hide its shadows there behind the Big Bang, but then we should help the One to find its way out there! Time is now.
Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>:--The entire universe emanated from something following the big bang , but it cannot be said to be that something rather it is the something which is behind the universe. So the One behind the many. Now all the individuals have come from that something but cannot be said to be that something. Again as all come from that something they are ever present in that, and all past , present and future is just history abiding in that something.--On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:59 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:The One but the many, the many but the One - does not sound convincing in my ears. Allan, what do you say?
Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>:--Gabby , the logic is that One is behind the many , but not the many. The individual is just a fragment or rather an emanation of the One , but not the One. It is the One which is the repository of all knowledge where the infinite beings , the limitless creation, is unmanifest and become manifest when their time comes. Theoretically as all that has been or will be is there in the unmanifest any thing in the past or anything in the future can be known by touching that source. The past, present or the future is all history as it always exists in the One.--On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:03 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:Hey, your spell checker is doing a good job, Allan! :) Thanks.The compass needle is in balance. Back in balance. As this seems to be your orientational pattern: "bring back information from the totality of all knowledge". God being the representative of the "all knowledge" and therefore greater than the individual knowledge. Did I get that right so far? What leaves me wondering is, how does that understanding match with the One&theMany understanding, which would not really draw the line between the individual and the All, but see the different perspectives as the cause for you seeing God as being greater. Or let me ask differently, how much would you say is the soul the individual representative of the totality of all knowledge? And in how much is the soul equipped with its own compass needle from there?
Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015 schrieb :Was thinking about the old testament. Whati don't like about it is the inaccurate descriptions. Or outright lies but what van you expect from a group of people trying to put themselves above the rest of humanity. I can relate to some of what is recorded because similar things have occurred to me, which leaves me wondering what really went on.
The story of creation is fasinating especially if you pitch thr time scale and look it as stages.. In its own right it ts a simplified version of the big bsng theory told to a group of herders/hunter gathers explaining their origin.. Similar in aspects to the stories of how the navajo emerhed on this earth. Both are amazingly accurate. Personally in my views I tend to be a transendentlist believing that one can actually cross the time/space barrier to bring back information from the totality of all knowledge (which is ever expanding and not stagnant) because of my understanding of a being greater than myself which I commonly refer to as God. This being helps me retrieve new information in a format you can understand. To me there is a totality of knowledge all contained with a being I refer to as God.
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