Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?

I do think education on the internet is up and coming.  Many courses are online I believe many including science are free or low cost..
That is a great improvment cutting  into the cost of university  education..  Having benefits for those other than the extreme  rich. I do  think it can really create benefits for society overall..
My IP address places  me in the Netherlands so I am not targeted by outside companies.. My base language is set for american english which eliminates even more..  (Tatic) but works as most companies are really not international..
Just courious do you have Bol.Com??

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?

The internet could be a means of production and personal control/influence we don't have now.  There are a few developments worth having (a lot behind the scenes in hardware infrastructure development) - yet the big changes are still to come.  More home-based schooling is an example or even a retail-free life for those like me that hate it all and would like to pre-order from manufacturers.  Indeed, we could see it replace international finance and resource allocation. 

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 5:20:12 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

I know its crazy ,, reality is companies are paying for page prominence. Personally  I ignore it.   Oddly I had a dislike for YouTube,  but realitively recently it has become of interest.  It is amazing  what people put online.   Actually  some very good explainations.

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 5:58 PM
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The question may be how we could collate the non-dross.

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 4:57:31 PM UTC, archytas wrote:

There are a few gems in the dross.  I start something like Tony's link with the question 'does advertising affect you'.  The answer is almost always no.  Many would not get the vimeo.  The obvious next question is why so much is spent on advertising, followed by one on where all the idiots that are influenced by it are.

Not my sort of big data, but I know what Tony means.

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 4:42:31 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote:

LOL the dress has created modern day zombies..  Mindlessly  surfing the internet because they can not think for themselves.

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 5:35 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: What could the internet be?

There are alternatives to things like Netflix (Amazon Prime is clearly just a clone) - like Indieflix, but this just plays cheaper to produce dross - though in principle is interesting.  Discussion groups have the problem there is nothing to idly watch and sort of demand input.  We are so used to watching copies of copied material, there seems little alternative content in us to present, and interestingly little skill in its representation.  I think the net is short of commercial alternatives that aren't lowest common denominator.  

On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 2:41:22 PM UTC, archytas wrote:

Most of my use of the internet concerns researching pretty dire academic papers and books through still largely restricted access.  It's much cheaper than buying the stuff directly, particularly as 99% of what shows up is dross.  I've played with the rest to find out what is there.  Search is a big plus compared with rooting through stuff in a university library.  Now, much google search just turns up dross I don't want.

In an academic project we are interested in what is on the net generally - in terms of how much of general consciousness this represents.  Rational discussion is a tiny part of what is on the net.  Techies spend a lot of time looking for cut and paste code and ways we might automate this sweep.  There is a background idea that we are looking for new ways to do 'expert knowledge' on the metaphor of people not being able to build cars but able to drive them with a bit of training.  My own bad is 'big data' as a new language that would bring a different speed to human discourse and potentially control of the means of production.

Lately, I'm interested in the lack of a business model for anything except trash.  I can join a site where a couple of young women will send me off-the-peg clothes on approval to ensure my sartorial elegance, though don't.  There are plenty of interesting Moochs, but I don't have time.  I bank n line and have the joy of never seeing a bank clerk. Shopping can be done in the same manner as shops don't interest me at all.  My insurance renewals are always 30% higher than I can get the same cover for via one of the broker sites on the day.

I do electronic teaching.  So I'm no longer racked by whatever diseases undergraduate classes try to kill me with.  And I never see a boss or have to attend a useless staff meeting, or have my classes flooded as the students discover I'm an easier touch and tell jokes.  The work is more or less pre-prepared and my timetable is not changed at ridiculous short notice and I don't have to take time to teach kids from other classes, at my door because they can't get anywhere with the guy supposed to help.

I can watch television and films through illegal sites, but would really prefer to pay for channels where I could select from much wider material without packaging.  The current business model encourages loads of channels with the same (usually old) dross, or stuff like Netflix with only 1% I'd want to see and don't want to pay to support.  Sports channels require me to pay for soccer I don't want.  Tony has done more for me in a few minutes (neglecting his production time) than Sky Arts bores ever could.  We lack a business model of actual choice.  With one, insanestream news and other entertainment, the crap science pornography of the BBC, Discovery and so on, would be things of my past.  In chronic business terms, I wonder how they do market segmentation at all.  I am sick of Blue Peter (kids programme here) presentation.

One can imagine plenty of people like the best through this group wanting something very different and something large enough not to be a part of when time presses and so on.  Uber, properly supervised against racist drivers, could bring very radical change - I meet few who can explain why - though we have not yet worked out that technology could massively reduce what we currently call work and planet burning.  In the meantime we can't even set up a discussion group without Gabby (and everyone really) worrying on the curtain shades.  Give us a twirl then girl, like one of those doxies Bruce Forsythe used to encourage.  I can see something of a business model, starting with Chris' 'attractors'.  The eventual key is content for a sophisticated audience - remembering very few people do education without any kind of accreditation pay-off and the means to pay for organisation does not move easily from free.  Current strategies are advertising and the begging bowl.

 

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