Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

Officially  it is called dorphian poetry an ancient  may made up word meaning  looking around.

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Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: archytas <nwterry@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Apr 2015 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

We would have made an exception in your case Molly, despite the Vogon poetry you encourage in Allan.  Wouldn't that be fuckin with ya'll?  Just ya sounds like German brevity.

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 1:31:58 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:

Nah, I'm just fuckin with ya.

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 8:29:51 PM UTC-4, Molly wrote:

I'm a vegan.

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015 at 7:45:33 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:

Nah!  They don't meet the general humanity features for species inclusion.  

On Tuesday, 31 March 2015 22:40:49 UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:

Hmmm...vegans?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:55 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

Consider it done Chris.  We have some room on the evil list too.  Any suggestions?

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:33:28 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:

A week in Clearwater is a prize, not a punishment! I humbly request to be placed back on the weird list, though.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:

I've removed you from my weird list Chris, moving you to 'modern iconoclast' with an 'invite to parties' star.  The only higher plane is 'brings more beer than she drinks and brings a sister not an alter'.  I shall have one of the group imps admonish the Heretic for his error.  The normal sanction would be a week in Clearwater, but he is a repeat offender and may need two weeks or the full half-hour tour of Bolton architecture. 

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:02:52 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:

It's also accurate. ;)

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:59 PM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry. I was informed  of my error in the time line.. you were in charged when joined ME..  the weird fellow was meant  as humorous. . 

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Jenkins <digitalprecipice@gmail.com>
To: Minds-Eye <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

No, Craig is the weird fellow that started the group. I'm just the one who accepted the mantle when he left.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:24 AM, <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:

Chris is the weird fellow that started the ME group..

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: James Lynch <ashkashal@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com

Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

'Dance like a butterfly sting like a bee' fair lady. Silence feels like cowardice to me Allan.

Hey Tony, glad to hear Andrew and Fran too! Who's this Chris fellow?

On Mar 25, 2015 6:10 PM, "Gabby Thiede" <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't let yourself get distracted, Allan! I am the evil bitch here! You need to fight with me!

Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2015 schrieb :

If you are so neutral why are you promoting the benefits of war..
Are you for war or against war..  your lip flapping is anything but neutral. It does not take bravery to be neutral but rather cowardice. .  Those wanting to profit from war while hiding. .

I do not like .. i have seen the harm it does and there is no neutrality.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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From: andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com>
To: minds-eye@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral. Judges in order to do  their job right have to remain neutral. Parents should as well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than taking sides. As an example, some countries and some people find homosexuality immoral. In those situations, it takes courage to take a neutral stand regarding homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and unconditional respect.Who is to say what is moral and what is not. And something regarded as morally correct at one time  can be regarded as immorally wrong at another time.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:

Neutrality is afraid  of taking a position.  A cowards way out.. how now to stand up for what is morally correct.. 

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war far out weight any of the few positive consequences. 
The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, especially in the modern times that we live in.:
1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by universities and government and private projects with monetary and merit rewards.
2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and exchange projects and the internet.
3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and sanctions.
4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and contraception.
5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that the brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common enemy in that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you love your enemies, then you will not have any.

Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct democracy.
On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of diversity,

Examples are:
If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and let them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the cantons and the refusal to join Euro.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:

Very interesting question you pose Molly.
Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to war, which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that there is always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with weapons and fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. Being an aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground.

The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are bullied.
3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of your friends who are bullied. 
4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers who are bullied.
5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself. 

The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more difficult to spot of course:
1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times of peace.
2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population.
5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is claimed to have said, then you will not have any.
 



On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:

Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, playwright, and activist, whose life's work focused on a wide range of issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race" http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP

We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. Why?

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