Re: Mind's Eye Re: Free will

Even though bound to do what we do, we still have to exercise our will and therefore we have free will. The choice is always there, we can act according to our impulses or act according to our understanding. Our will springs from our brain which is matter, and is ruled by chemical processes. We act according to our personality which is subject to our nature and nurture.

On Sat 23 Feb, 2019, 8:16 PM Rajendra Pal Singh <1234rp@gmail.com wrote:

You are right, Neil, we are all robots of God and yet have free will.

On Wed 20 Feb, 2019, 3:10 PM archytas <nwterry@gmail.com wrote:

I can't see RP as a 'Hinduist' - his values are clearly universalist.  Will as expressed in his last post are rather Greek and Nietzschean in western stuff.  I have learned from all of you.  The site of contesting various wills seems to be consciousness, though we can dispute this with science and 'robots of god' stuff.  Science has demonstrated quite a lot gets in our two brains (the enteric nervous system is as large as a cat's brain) without us being consciously aware.  In psychology (a discipline I don't like) we are investigating metacognition - broadly how we discern accurate from inaccurate performance.  This is an example:

Widening polarization about political, religious, and

scientific issues threatens open societies, leading

to entrenchment of beliefs, reduced mutual understanding, and a pervasive negativity surrounding

the very idea of consensus [1, 2]. Such radicalization

has been linked to systematic differences in the certainty with which people adhere to particular beliefs

[3–6]. However, the drivers of unjustified certainty in

radicals are rarely considered from the perspective

of models of metacognition, and it remains unknown

whether radicals show alterations in confidence bias

(a tendency to publicly espouse higher confidence),

metacognitive sensitivity (insight into the correctness of one's beliefs), or both.

The numbers are just references.

The results were that rightists and leftists both exhibit low metacognitive sensitivity and use very low quality of evidence to support their entrenched conditions, though this depends on such as 'mood'.  It is difficult even to broach science and spirituality with most and I always found RP not part of this problem.  This particular psychology rather dismisses what I hope we four musketeers resist - that there is much good in current material societies and politics.  Something is radically missing.  In philosophic terms we need the question marks in deeper than left or right.  The paper is available free - https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(18)31420-9 - though isn't attempting the often ineffable ground we seek.  Vam's recent Veda translation gets to that and RP's quasi-obsession with free will is likely central to a new form of argument.  I have shifted towards agnotology - how existing wrong thinking affects what we can argue about and do.  Science has its agnotological reception and many confuse its project with value-free amorality.  In fact, once you know enough science the standard project of morality and its uses collapses, particularly the crude exploitation by empires of generally racist (animal) rot.  My dog doesn't bite me, though has just been very growly because he thought he wasn't coming out for a walk!  He got his way RP!  Superior expression of will, no doubt.  He was always going to come, of course.  I was just struggling to get the bins out for collection.  Nice lad is Maxwell, who must have to control a lot in his consciousness (he lives peacefully and in some affection with a cat).  In searching for higher ground we could be a little less prissy about it all being human.

On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:17:50 UTC, RP wrote:

A human being works like a machine under the control of nature but we must also realize that our Will is the central part of this machine and it is in this that our freedom lies. And herein lies our accountability.Whatever we do is with our brains and hence normal people are accountable for their actions where as insane are not.

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