Re: Mind's Eye Re: Avarice

No matter  where it originated from it is truly program for  dealing  problems. A lot of people have benefited  from the steps changing  their lives..
The reality of it is in a way a retread. A group of people decided I was an alcoholic.. (I had no input )  it seems that my what appeared to be irrational.. It didn't really  work out because the treatment  program really didn't  understand the steps. A very intense  spiritual experience ¿2 years? Told me i understood  steps 1&2 very well so it was directly into step three..  ���� the group had arranged for an army  if spiritual advisors  to deal with my spiritual views.
 
I needed to decide myself that I  had a problem.. from starting  off for  3 hots and a cot..  I  needed to make it through the winter as I had the support of a good business  partner to build steam cleaning  business.. thank you God for the delays as I  desperately  needed to find and the do the first and 2nd steps. It does not matter how deep and strong your beliefs are you still need to  do the 1st & 2nd step before the other steps  begin to really work..
I like many others  fought them tooth and  nail until I  finally  did them.
Including  both parts of the 1st step.

ah

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com>
To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Avarice

Being able to observe your own behavior and actions, derive patterns that help or hinder, and self correct for growth toward a more integrated personality, is no small feat. Not everyone is capable for myriad reasons. It is true, that this is a life long endeavor. According to the Tibetan Book of the Dead (and the Living) even in our death experience, this ability is critical. 

I'm Irish. Plenty of my family members have benefited from the AA program. I read somewhere that "Bill" based the program on the teachings of Emmett Fox's "Constructive Thinking" model. I prefer his interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount. Very powerful.

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 2:04:31 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

It really  is not a  big secret.  It the 12 step  program created by the founders of AA. The program works  IF you work the program. To work it requires all 12 steps and it is not pick and choose.
I am sure in Detroit  there still are  groups of original  AA.  😥 Sadly  the AA I started was invaded by treatment  centers . That really  didn't  understand  the program. They wanted AA groups to do the hard work for them.. What the treatment centers  don't or didn't  really  know that there are actually  3 meetings..  the  before  the meeting meeting  then there is the  regular meetings  either  open or closed (members  only) and the meeting  after the meeting.. usually  in a coffee shop where you get into the hard  core work..  there  you learn about AA and how it works.  A great  deal of coffee is  drank.
The after the meeting  is probably  the most important because  there you work on your individual program..  every one has an opinion.. The 12 step program becomes  a way of life not just a program.. there is  no finished date..
You can learn  a lot of weird  stuff and meet people from all walks of  life.

The problems of  life are dealt with one day at a time. After awhile you stop notifying  severe for the simple reasons you are dealing  with the problems before  they become  a problem..
Apologies for the  delay  answering
It is  a great program that is sorely  abused  by corporations  and the medical  community..  there I need to  tread lightly because often times it was the AA members  of the medical  community  that provided  for my medical care..
Also learned  a great deal.. you would be surprised at the professions of  the members.. If you have question 🤔  some  member will have the answer..😎

ah

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com>
To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Avarice

Witnessing ourselves in moments of avarice and every moment actually is a big leap in holding life or God as we know him as treasure. What could be better? Seems you have a simple formula and as I see folks struggling daily to get near what you have discovered, I wish you were here to reach them. Knowing that in the sacred heart that is all hearts, you are, comforts me dear Allan.

On Monday, August 5, 2019 at 5:37:37 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

You always seem to find a kind way. Avarice Is coming from EGO. Once read that EGO is short form of Easing God Out.. I was surprised by the actual meaning of the word that is why i included the meaning.
As for what "I have done, and what I have failed to do" that comes from the prayer of asking forgiveness. As for my ego, well I try to work the ,12 steps of AA Which requires me to examine my activities of the day. Both good and bad  both what I have done (good & bad) including what I have failed to do. I started my sobriety journey 5 Dec 1979. It works only one day at a time for which I am very grateful. I have no desire to return to where I started.
Avarice is specifically defined as :
noun (uncountable)
• Excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness after wealth; covetousness; cupidity.
• Inordinate desire for some supposed good.
As I try to carefully live to the valued I hold true. I treasure God as I understand him. I have tried reading some of the modern ideas  ... Most of the time they make very little sense. Everyone is free to believe what ever they want.
I Placed the definition on the Group for starting point to examine the world in which base different perspective from around the world. But whatever.


ah

-----Original Message-----
From: Molly Brogan <mollybrogan@gmail.com>
To: "\"Minds Eye\"" <minds-eye@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 1:37 PM
Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Avarice

I mean this in a neutral, kind way. I see that view of avarice as all coming from ego: what I have done, what I have failed, the world in which I live: all self referenced. So it would seem that avarice, like the christian seven deadly sins, or the buddhist hungry ghosts, all self referenced views that are barriers to the non dual perspective, where there is no separation from god, no assignment of value, no cause and effect. No difference between self and the world in which we live. The understanding of many paradoxes must come first. How we identify with our experience. How we value to allow a sense of time and space. Separation is an enormous expanse, and I haven't read anything that says once a non duel view is achieved, we never see or feel separation again. Life is a dance, and we are the dance, always moving, each step related to the others, unity and separation integral.

Sri Nisargadatta's book "That I am" is filled with pointers to the non dual perspective (he is Hindu) yet the title seems to me derived from the bible passage "Be still and know that I am God." That passage, viewed from a non dual perspective, does not separate I and God. but you have to know "I am God" first.

At this point, all of life is integrated, including individualism, science, religion... all included, not left behind. Just known differently and moment to moment. Like dreaming, some moments are lucid, some are not. If more are than are not we remain steadily on the non local path that we walk alone in unity.

On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 11:06:37 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:

AVARICE

pronunciation
• (IPA): /ˈævəɹɪs/

noun (uncountable)
• Excessive or inordinate desire of gain; greediness after wealth; covetousness; cupidity.
• Inordinate desire for some supposed good.

synonyms
• avariciousness

Avarice
Strange word.. I am wondering how many times I  have read that word without  actually  knowing the meaning.. today I looked it up.. and it is about time. (excuse: no dictionary), but that is one that is no longer valid. I  have one in my smartphone to help  me with my spelling.
Avarice as a word actually  describes the world I live in and helped create. 'In what I have done and what I have failed to do!'   if nothing else look up the meaning of a word I didn't understand,  pretending  that I  knew and understood what was being said.
The world or reality in which I live is a world filled with avarice to which I must  plead guilty of contributing to its creation.  I  just purchased a new smartphone for  the simple reason I  wanted a new phone to fulfill my greed.. I easily found reasons to justify my personal greed.
Avarice is consuming our western christian culture. while claiming  to  be believers  and followers  of the great teacher Jesus.. as I justify my separation greed and need for things that tend to separate me from  truly  following  the spiritual truths I have found and claim to hold dear.

Has  anyone  found my sign that reads "REPENT!"? I  seemed to have lost  it.

ah

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