[Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Heh yep I disagree with Vam, clearly. I see no differance and see
this as a purely semantic issue. Perhaps Vam simply does not like the
conitations of the word religion (for some) in his own religion.

I agree that perhaps the word Dharma is not a straight translation of
the word Religion or indeed the other way around. But the concepts
are exaclty the same. See RP Singhs post, he has it right I belive.

On Sep 12, 4:49 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma  and that has nothing at all
> to do with religion,,  as wit all things in evolution meaning of words also
> change evolve.  Well Lee you and I have different concepts than other
> people.
> Allan
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> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > I'll say it again.  I find no differance between the concepts of
> > dharma and religoin.
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> > What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of religious
> > practice?
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> > On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Therefore ? I didn't see the logic.
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> > > Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal !
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> > > rigsy03 wrote:
> > > > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore it does
> > > > not exist as a Universal.
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> > > > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally
> > > > > expressed here :
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> > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as
> > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing
> > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
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> > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of
> > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of
> > which
> > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are
> > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the
> > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> > > > > consequences.
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> > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal
> > > > > values and truths."
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> > > > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most
> > that
> > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some
> > do.
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> > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used
> > are
> > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such
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> > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his
> > intent!
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> > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many
> > eastern
> > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three.
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> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > > > > > 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with
> > another
> > > > > > > > 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and
> > ideology
> > > > > > > > 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical
> > and
> > > > > > > > mental fear and reward.
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> > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of
> > living do
> > > > > > > > none of these.
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> > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and
> > Middle
> > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text -
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> |_D Allan
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