Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Vam is referring to the old concept of dharma  and that has nothing at all to do with religion,,  as wit all things in evolution meaning of words also change evolve.  Well Lee you and I have different concepts than other people.

Allan

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:

I'll say it again.  I find no differance between the concepts of
dharma and religoin.

What is the point of dharmic practice, what is the point of religious
practice?

On Sep 10, 8:32 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Therefore ? I didn't see the logic.
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> Dharma is universal values... I agree that isn't very universal !
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> rigsy03 wrote:
> > How is one instructed by Dharma except by tradition? Therefore it does
> > not exist as a Universal.
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> > On Sep 9, 10:12 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally
> > > expressed here :
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> > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as
> > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing
> > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
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> > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of
> > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of which
> > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are
> > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the
> > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> > > consequences.
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> > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal
> > > values and truths."
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> > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most that
> > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some do.
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> > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used are
> > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such a
> > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his intent!
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> > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many eastern
> > > > > and western religions that do none of those three.
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> > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > > > 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> > > > > > 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> > > > > > 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> > > > > > mental fear and reward.
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> > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of living do
> > > > > > none of these.
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> > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and Middle
> > > > > > East believe in and understand !- Hide quoted text -
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