Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are
religions in east ! ]

Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, and
not everything in any religion, is.

Allan H wrote:
> Vam you posted this:
> 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> mental fear and reward.
> then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by it yet as
> i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no difference, just
> symantics
> Allan
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Again :
> >
> > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" "
> >
> > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated.
> >
> > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely outgrown
> > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ).
> >
> > Vam wrote:
> > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally
> > > expressed here :
> > >
> > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as
> > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing
> > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
> > >
> > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of
> > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of which
> > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are
> > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the
> > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> > > consequences.
> > >
> > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal
> > > values and truths."
> > >
> > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most that
> > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some do.
> > > >
> > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used are
> > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such a
> > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his intent!
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many
> > eastern
> > > > > and western religions that do none of those three.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> > > > > > mental fear and reward.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of living
> > do
> > > > > > none of these.
> > > > >
> > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and
> > Middle
> > > > > > East believe in and understand !
> >
>
>
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
>
> May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever ruined your
> day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can have a good
> day.