Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major religions are all about minus the crap people have added to get their desired goals and their need to be important.

Allan

On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:

Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are
religions in east ! ]

Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, and
not everything in any religion, is.

Allan H wrote:
> Vam  you posted this:
> 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> mental fear and reward.
> then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by it  yet as
> i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no difference,  just
> symantics
> Allan
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Again :
> >
> > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" "
> >
> > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated.
> >
> > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely outgrown
> > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ).
> >
> > Vam wrote:
> > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally
> > > expressed here :
> > >
> > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as
> > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing
> > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
> > >
> > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of
> > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of which
> > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are
> > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the
> > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> > > consequences.
> > >
> > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal
> > > values and truths."
> > >
> > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most that
> > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some do.
> > > >
> > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used are
> > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such a
> > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his intent!
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many
> > eastern
> > > > > and western religions that do none of those three.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > > > 1  Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> > > > > > 2  Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> > > > > > 3  Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> > > > > > mental fear and reward.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of living
> > do
> > > > > > none of these.
> > > > >
> > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and
> > Middle
> > > > > > East believe in and understand !
> >
>
>
>
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> |_D Allan
>
> May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever ruined your
> day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can have a good
> day.

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|_D Allan

May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever ruined your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a good day.