Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Religion As People In The West and Middle East Understand

Agreed.

But, in religious organisations and practices, "the crap people have
added to get their desired goals and their need to be important." is
most prominent.

Allan H wrote:
> Vam if dharma is as you define it that is what all major religions are all
> about minus the crap people have added to get their desired goals and their
> need to be important.
> Allan
>
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Religions, eastern or western, IS NOT Dharma. [ oh yes, there are
> > religions in east ! ]
> >
> > Dharma is moral, ethical and truthful living. Not all religions, and
> > not everything in any religion, is.
> >
> >
> >
> > Allan H wrote:
> > > Vam you posted this:
> > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with another
> > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and ideology
> > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical and
> > > mental fear and reward.
> > > then you are trying do convince me that dharma is not effected by it yet
> > as
> > > i look at the eastren religions I really see little or no difference,
> > just
> > > symantics
> > > Allan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Vam <atewari2007@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Again :
> > > >
> > > > " ... one can quit or outgrow religion but not "dharma !" "
> > > >
> > > > The word religion as I have used is previously indicated.
> > > >
> > > > The traditions Molly speaks of are those that have largely outgrown
> > > > religion ( in the sense I have used the word ).
> > > >
> > > > Vam wrote:
> > > > > A post elsewhere... which cud be juxtaposed with thoughts generally
> > > > > expressed here :
> > > > >
> > > > > " ... the word " religion " itself is a Western construct, meaning as
> > > > > it came to be practiced by people - looking for salvation, believing
> > > > > what they were told, and launching on their conversion drives
> > > > > everywhere they went with their gun and swords and recycled loot.
> > > > >
> > > > > " Dharma is a totally different construct... the whole universe of
> > > > > values and truths in and of which all beings are born, in and of
> > which
> > > > > they live, in and of which they depart, and in and of which they are
> > > > > reborn. It is life and living itself, which exhorts us to do the
> > > > > needful and the right, even while leaving us with the freedom and the
> > > > > choice to do otherwise, as we please but with their respective
> > > > > consequences.
> > > > >
> > > > > " Dharma is life itself, and the way of living in accord to universal
> > > > > values and truths."
> > > > >
> > > > > ornamentalmind wrote:
> > > > > > Yet, are those traditions in any way strictly monotheistic? Most
> > that
> > > > > > I am aware of do not make such a claim; although as you say some
> > do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When it comes to the presentation of an argument, the terms used
> > are
> > > > > > often important as Vam knows. Making a claim for all cases in such
> > a
> > > > > > case is asking for rebuttal. Of course, that may have been his
> > intent!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:16 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I would disagree in that there are mystical traditions to many
> > > > eastern
> > > > > > > and western religions that do none of those three.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sep 9, 6:34 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Monotheistic Religions, as they are, do three things :
> > > > > > > > 1 Assure salvation, the power for which is entirely with
> > another
> > > > > > > > 2 Demand Belief in a defined presentation of thought and
> > ideology
> > > > > > > > 3 Convert others to their fold through material lure, physical
> > and
> > > > > > > > mental fear and reward.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Atheistic disciplines, pantheistic and polytheistic ways of
> > living
> > > > do
> > > > > > > > none of these.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They are therefore not religions as the people in the West and
> > > > Middle
> > > > > > > > East believe in and understand !
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > (
> > > )
> > > |_D Allan
> > >
> > > May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who has ever ruined
> > your
> > > day and may their arms be two short to scratch. Then you can have a good
> > > day.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
>
> May the flees of 1000 camels infect the crotch of who ever has ever ruined
> your day and may their arms be to short to scratch. Then you can have a good
> day.