Allan - you can get the videos in 15 min clips from 'Angry
Prophet' (any relation?) above. It's easy enough once you find the
first one.
On Oct 30, 11:38 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We can go along with Camus - Life is no one single, simple thing, but
> a series of tensions and dilemmas. The most seemingly straightforward
> features of life are in fact ambiguous and even contradictory. Camus
> recommends that we avoid trying to resolve them. We need to face the
> fact that we can never successfully purge ourselves of the impulses
> that t
hreaten to wreak havoc with our lives. Camus's philosophy, if it
> has a single message, is that we should learn to tolerate, indeed
> embrace the frustration and ambivalence that humans cannot escape.
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> On Oct 30, 7:12 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > They rely on the 'machine'for both social and personal legitimacy Vam.
> > It's a combination of fatalism, rationalisation,narcissism and
> > projection, all within a paranoid-schizoid position. Whilst this
> > explanation holds it has to be amenable to Gabby's 'pin' when
> > pompous. There is, of course, no reason for a small group to
> > 'compete' for riches whilst most live in poverty. And equally, I'm
> > not sure that reasonably fair material basics will help many people
> > achieve much real satisfaction - but it would help me not feel so bad
> > about myself. Way beyond this we have to think on and change the
> > nature of work - in its current form it's too often demeaning and we
> > don't take enough of our fair shares in a lot of it.
> > I have, at least to some extent, 'done my bit' - but the turn of this
> > to looking down on others as 'scroungers' and the rest I find
> > sickening. I spent my summers as a kid picking potatoes,beans, peat-
> > digging and so on with plenty of time to play cricket, tennis and the
> > rest. Our current generation has no such opportunity, and we can say
> > the same about more permanent jobs. Kids around the world often have
> > no such childhood at all. We could at least organise from this up.
> > Instead we cast fantasies about what are laughable qualifications (in
> > our terms Vam) being essential for 'interesting jobs'.
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> > On Oct 30, 6:18 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters
> > > compared to what lies within us."
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> > > Ralph Waldo Emerson
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> > > Without which realisation... we'd just alternate
> > > between hope and despair, in desperation !
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> > > On Oct 30, 4:55 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > "Even God cannot change the past." Agathon (448 B.C.-400 B.C.)
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> > > > We are eventually free to establish our own values and lifestyle- if
> > > > we are lucky- and it sounds as if you are one of the lucky ones as we
> > > > type on computers constructed via slave labor to communicate our
> > > > opinions and struggles.
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> > > > Around the beginning of the 20th Century, manufacturers accepted the
> > > > idea of making products that would soon be obsolete and need to be
> > > > replaced rather than repaired which has resulted in a toss-away
> > > > consumer society that is drenched in wastefulness. I think the idea
> > > > was first promoted by advertisers who were eager for steady income.
> > > > Replacement has become a broader fact- from mates to warfare.
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> > > > On Oct 29, 11:01 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > I don't recall the exact quote from Camus, Neil, in his "Rebel"...
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> > > > > We are living in times when the same usurpers, oligarchs, power
> > > > > brokers, Free Capitalists and State Capitalists... use values that
> > > > > appeal to people, take positions that make people feel good, espouse
> > > > > causes and show generosities... when all that is on their mind is how
> > > > > to extract more from the people, how to make laws more capital,
> > > > > priviledged and owner friendly ( yeah, the fkg Motor Act in India is
> > > > > still of colonial vantage, when the motors on the roads were owned
> > > > > mainly by the British... you don't need to commit any murders at all,
> > > > > just mow them on the road, and escape with at most as light a sentence
> > > > > as mere 2 years of simple imprisonment ! ), how to consolidate and
> > > > > cartelise the supply chain or distribution structures for essential
> > > > > commodities, so as to create scarcities and raise prices at will...
> > > > > control power... control money... control legislation... control
> > > > > supply and demand... control...
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> > > > > As a result, people have come to believe that the 80% of the economy
> > > > > looped in to serve 20% of the population is alright, that millionaires
> > > > > constituting 50% of People's Representatives is alright, that there is
> > > > > something sacrosanct about property and shall-do-as-I-wish rights,
> > > > > that accepting money means that people have to surrender their freedom
> > > > > and needless dignity, that basketfuls of cake and food reject in waste
> > > > > bin from wealthy mansions is okay when thousands are hungry... and if
> > > > > you stand to question and protest over such gross social inequality,
> > > > > such political misrepresentation, such blatant economic inequity...
> > > > > you are actually shown the law, the law and order enforcement might,
> > > > > the feudal norms and ethics, and told "look at the others, how they
> > > > > are not about creating problems" !
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> > > > > You then have only one option... which you will soon be advised even
> > > > > by your parents and well-wishers... to join them. After all, even you
> > > > > have it all... if you study and work hard, with dedication... et al.
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> > > > > The fun starts, rather the mayhem, when you see no reason to join
> > > > > them, to have all that "they" have. At that stage you have already
> > > > > discovered the new paradigm for yourself. It happened with me in
> > > > > 1997... when I looked up to my boss' position and clearly saw that I
> > > > > didn't want it ! Lived hand to mouth for about 2 years... made demands
> > > > > on friends without a qualm... until the consulting work got
> > > > > acknowledged... and then I've practically retired for an otherwise
> > > > > very active life.
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> > > > > On Oct 30, 4:32 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Sorry your video is currently not available.. will try later I did some
> > > > > > looking up to understand the raping of Nang I have actually known about for
> > > > > > a long time ,, seems even before the internet why I don't recall any more..
> > > > > > Maybe it is from the horrible abuse and treatment of the american Indian
> > > > > > by my own government. and other minorities..
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> > > > > > I think people want to believe the soft sell packaged lies.. people
> > > > > > apparently prefer to live in fear and accept lies rather than face the
> > > > > > truth.. as for governments that color truth worse is it the USA or
> > > > > > Great Britain? Both Countries seem to bury their heads in the sand when it
> > > > > > comes to coloring their history. still am trying to figure out
> > > > > > the British empire.
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> > > > > > Hopefully the Occupy Movement will have some effect positive I hope if the
> > > > > > one percent want to control the wealth and government they at least to
> > > > > > bear their fair share of the expenses based on percentage of ownership.
> > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:51 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > The current crisis is not one of banking or economics, but something
> > > > > > > much more basic. One might say this is our attitude towards 'machines
> > > > > > > of loving grace'. In short, we live in the fantasy that "the machine"
> > > > > > > will put things right, returning to an equilibrium as our
> > > > > > > interventions are little more than 'of mice and men'. The real world
> > > > > > > of the environment and the exchange world of economics return to
> > > > > > > equilibrium after fluctuations. It's very tempting to believe this -
> > > > > > > one might see Gaia as a case in point - the planet and other species
> > > > > > > flourishing after we've crazed ourselves to extinction through
> > > > > > > consumption and wars.
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> > > > > > > You can pick up the ideas of 'all watched over by machines of loving
> > > > > > > grace' here -
> > > > > > >http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/2160186460/All-Watched-Over-By-M...
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> > > > > > > A review with an economic twist can be found here -
> > > > > > >http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/10/the-natural-chaos-of-markets.html
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> > > > > > > My own work has often focused on the difference between espoused
> > > > > > > theories and theories-in-action. In some subjects like chemistry the
> > > > > > > relationship between theory and practice is good - if you follow the
> > > > > > > rules and recipes you get what you intended and the explanations make
> > > > > > > sense if you study enough. There is a working core, you can trust or
> > > > > > > check the work of others and speculation can eventually be tested on
> > > > > > > what is not accepted as 'settled'. In the human sciences this is much
> > > > > > > more difficult, not least because we do not exclude much in human
> > > > > > > society that prevents science. Few of us have much aptitude for
> > > > > > > science, perhaps especially for its negation of ideology soaked up
> > > > > > > from community.
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> > > > > > > I always noted as a teacher that I was more comfortable saying 'you
> > > > > > > just can't handle the maths' (unlikely for me as I'd teach people like
> > > > > > > that without the stuff), than in saying 'you just don't get argument
> > > > > > > because you can't let go of any prejudice'. Teaching people to think
> > > > > > > for themselves contains a paradox. One finds much one is expected to
> > > > > > > teach based on dross. I know of no country in which history is taught
> > > > > > > without gross ideological distortion. We hear the Japanese rip out
> > > > > > > pages in textbooks on the 'rape of Nanking' yet it's rare to find
> > > > > > > Brits who know much of our...
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