It is true it repeats itself regularly.. CERN is not looking for a red face..
I do not see them rushing to build a second CERN they are a little beyond my pocket change at the moment (see me in 500 year then we will talk about it)
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarrington@hotmail.com> wrote:
Again, I agree. Time will tell and the experiment and potential
On Oct 13, 7:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> okay Pat to quote you: Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which
> they WANT to see.
>
> That is true,, except it is strange that on random timed tests the same
> event occurs and they are checking for neutrinos else where looking to
> eliminate the random event .. what they are saying is "a particle is
> arriving before it should.".. that it,, but that is very interesting..
>
> what it is time will tell
> Allan
>
result were interesting. It just needs to be repeated regularly, now,
using different (but similar) equipment and between different
locations. It still could end up only implying that the neutrinos are
discovering ways to exploit extra-dimensional short-cuts rather than
actually moving faster-than-light.
BTW, everyone, I'm still on target for a 21-Dec-2011 release date for
my book; however, the publisher has, now, changed the name of the
publishing company and it will be published by 'New Lime Publishing'.
I'll get you (plural) the website as soon as it's up and running. I
promise that New Lime will get you your copies as quickly as Amazon
would; but, with a VERY key difference: when we see any of your names
on the order forms, you can rest assured that your copies will be
signed by the author (that's me!) with a unique message for each of
you!!!! Through Amazon, that kind of 'order scrutiny' would be
impossible.
> ...
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 7, 7:45 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I don't think they know for sure just what they know for sure just what
> > they
> > > are something is arriving before the speed of light sez it should.
>
> > > I think that is cool
> > > Allan
>
> > I think it's interesting, but they still can't rule out the fact that
> > the neutrinos that arrived 'early' MAY have not come from CERN. Every
> > star emits neutrinos in all directions at any time and as it is very
> > difficult to stop neutrinos, they pass through most
> > everything...including the Earth. The fact that Gran Sasso had
> > created an object that WOULD stop neutrinos guarantees that, at some
> > point in time, it would do just that. They'll never be able to rule
> > out the possibility that the 'early' neutrinos may have been sourced
> > from some place other than CERN and that will always cause doubt. If
> > the scientists don't accept that, then they are as idiotic as the
> > Church was when it demanded that the Sun revolve around the Earth.
> > Scientists are a stubborn bunch and see that which they WANT to see.
> > If they discover that neutrinos can consistently arrive at their
> > destination faster than the speed of light, it may not upset Special
> > Relativity at all, rather, it may provide evidence that the neutrinos
> > are taking a short cut via a different dimension. If so, then it
> > points towards a String Theory-based universe. As I said...we'll
> > see. I'm still publishing based on Special Relativity and my book
> > explains what I've said above regarding other potential sources for
> > the neutrinos. This result begs more questions than it answers and
> > THAT little fact only helps me with regard to String Theory. ;-)
>
> > > On Oct 7, 2011 8:39 PM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I'd guess they do know the origin as Cern - but they ain't sure they
> > > > are neutrinos.
>
> > > > On Oct 7, 2:58 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Pat it was not a one time affair,, checked and rechecked..
> > > > > it will be changing or rather challenging the concepts
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Oct 4, 1:47 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I do not think time travel is putting it correctly. what I think
> > > > they
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > really saying is that there are laws beyond those that we know
> > and
> > > > > > > understand today,, they went to extreme measures to verify the
> > > > > > > measurements Like actually measure the speed of light to with in
> > 18
> > > > cm
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > make sure the calculations were correct. like stopping the
> > traffic
> > > > > > though
> > > > > > > the trans alps tunnel so it would not interfere with
> > measurements..
>
> > > > > > > I have known for many years that in the spiritual world that when
> > you
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > you know it all there is more,, wonder what the new models will
> > look
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > ,, any ideas Pat?
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > Loads. I think the neutrinos that landed early weren't from CERN,
> > > > > > but, of course, there's no way to prove or disprove that.
> > > > > > Alternatively, if strings weave in and out of the Calabi-Yau space
> > as
> > > > > > I believe they do, then the Calabi-Yau space can serve as a form of
> > > > > > Star Trek-like 'sub-space' that might be able to be used to take
> > short-
> > > > > > cuts through space; but, it would only work for items that were
> > > > > > incredibly small, i.e., strings and, of course, in String Theory,
> > > > > > neutrinos are simply strings vibrating in a particularly unique way
> > as
> > > > > > to appear AS neutrinos.
>
> > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > The problems are discussed in the link video. My world without
> > > > data
> > > > > > > > is created by everything being skewed for instant reception.
> > My
> > > > > > > > question is why we never put the effort of science into social
> > > > > > > > questioning. These hard yards are always evaded.
> > > > > > > > The most fascinating issue in the neutrino experiment is they
> > may
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > found the tachyon and this would open up the possibility of
> > > > > > > > information time travel and confirm very weird mass.
>
> > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:38 pm, Allan Heretic <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hoi Pat the measurements were within 18 inches.. they did a
> > lot
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > verify the distance traveled.. it is just some particals are
> > > > > > arriving
> > > > > > > > > sooner than they should.
> > > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 11:28 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:28 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.universetoday.com/89407/particle-physics-and-faster-than-l.
> > > > > > ..
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This link has a video with the best clarification I've
> > heard.
> > > > > > One or
> > > > > > > > > > > two might be interested.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > One idea I do like is that of neutrinos 'seeing' a
> > different
> > > > > > > > > > > geometry. There are geometries in which distance is
> > > > illusory.
> > > > > > > > Knowing
> > > > > > > > > > > all this I'll still be taking the train into town.
> > People at
> > > > > > > > > > > Manchester 1864 don't think the results will hold, but
> > are
> > > > > > spinning
> > > > > > > > > > > some examples of what would make sense assuming they are
> > > > right.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > always feel a bit of sadness when amongst scientists
> > these
> > > > days -
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > > to do with how different the world of sane dialogue is
> > > > compared
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > everyday dross in which evidence is barely understood and
> > > > reality
> > > > > > > > > > > denied in favour of Idols.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I've become a fan of Rosanne Barr's candidature for
> > > > President.
> > > > > > Never
> > > > > > > > > > > liked her show. Neutrinos probably won't do much to
> > > > Einstein's
> > > > > > > > > > > stuff. Quite why economic data hasn't got us thinking in
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > primitive terms like hers I don't understand. This is
> > where
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > detail and supposed links with theory drives me. We
> > remain
> > > > > > medieval
> > > > > > > > > > > in all except science. Scientists do not proceed in very
> > > > > > rational
> > > > > > > > > > > ways and it seems odd to me we abstract a false notion of
> > > > this
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > > > > our more social affairs. The model of non-science
> > "science"
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > politics and journalism needs to be eradicated so that
> > > > > > > > values,passion,
> > > > > > > > > > > humour and compassion can flow without being shunned as
> > > > > > > > > > > 'emotionalism'. Tiny, abberant 'neutrinos' that might be
> > > > > > tachyons
> > > > > > > > > > > (with strange mass) can influence scientific thinking,yet
> > > > years
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > super-rich looting, war and more and more of our own in
> > > > poverty
> > > > > > > > hardly
> > > > > > > > > > > cut muster amongst those in power. I find this
> > intolerable.
> > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > like living in a world without data.
>
> > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of factors CERN needs to take into
> > account
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > they can make any stong claims because the distance
> > involved
> > > > MUST
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > within 18 metres and the time within 60 nanoseconds,
> > otherwise
> > > > > > they've
> > > > > > > > > > made a miscalculation. Firstly, were there any earth
> > tremors
> > > > > > between
> > > > > > > > > > the last time they measured the distance and the time of
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > experiments that may have altered the distance. Secondly,
> > > > there is
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > way to tag a neutrino with a return address, How do they
> > know
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > certain that the neutrinos that struck the destination at
> > Gran
> > > > > > Sasso
> > > > > > > > > > were, in fact, from CERN? Given the background of billions
> > of
> > > > > > stars
> > > > > > > > > > in our galaxy and including all the stars in other
> > galaxies,
> > > > there
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > every chance that one of these stars was lined up at just
> > the
> > > > right
> > > > > > > > > > time to shoot a stream of neutrinos in just the right
> > direction
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > land in Gran Sasso. The fact that all stars can emit
> > neutrinos
> > > > in
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > > > direction at any time makes for countless sources of
> > neutrinos
> > > > and,
> > > > > > > > > > with that, countless destinations. As it is very difficult
> > to
> > > > stop
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > neutrino, there is every chance that the neutrinos that
> > landed
> > > > at
> > > > > > Gran
> > > > > > > > > > Sasso just prior to the expected time, were, in fact, from
> > an
> > > > > > > > > > unexpected source. Proving or disproving that is nigh on
> > > > > > impossible;
> > > > > > > > > > so I put very little weight on this seemingly aberrant
> > result,
> > > > > > > > > > especially as a similar aberrant result happened in the
> > States
> > > > a
> > > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > years back and it was discovered that, in truth, a
> > > > miscalculation
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > been made by the scientists and the speed of light remained
>
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