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The selling point of Facebook is supposedly the "lock-in" it has one
you as a customer because your friends are there. I can't really be
bothered with it because so many people I don't want to know are
there! And all the spam and dire else that comes with the Internet.
I do shop online, but that's largely because I don't like shops and
shopping - plus some stuff is much cheaper than my 'local' chain-
store.
What I'd like to be able to do is buy in advance direct from
manufacturers in an environment of peer review on quality and
service. One can easily imagine a kind of auction service for such in
which I put up what I want and manufacturers and service suppliers
could bid to fulfill my needs and that of my agreed collective. I'd
want fellow members to be able to control and advertising and for a
collective representation if things go wrong.
The technology to run Facebook is hardly a barrier to entry. My idea
would be to undercut retailing through a new logistic model that would
not involve the collective auction becoming a retailer or holding
stock. One example is Green Metropolis which just takes a fee on
books held by members and sold through its site.
I think a lot of fingers will get burned over Facebook. I wonder if
there is an alternative that would not be concerned with retailing and
all its gimmicks? I've never responded to a Google ad so far and
suspect there must be a better way to source essentials.
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
What I'd like to be able to do is buy in advance direct from
manufacturers in an environment of peer review on quality and
service. One can easily imagine a kind of auction service for such in
which I put up what I want and manufacturers and service suppliers
could bid to fulfill my needs and that of my agreed collective. I'd
want fellow members to be able to control and advertising and for a
collective representation if things go wrong.
The technology to run Facebook is hardly a barrier to entry. My idea
would be to undercut retailing through a new logistic model that would
not involve the collective auction becoming a retailer or holding
stock. One example is Green Metropolis which just takes a fee on
books held by members and sold through its site.
I think a lot of fingers will get burned over Facebook. I wonder if
there is an alternative that would not be concerned with retailing and
all its gimmicks? I've never responded to a Google ad so far and
suspect there must be a better way to source essentials.
lol you have a guardian Neil, mine ended up with the name Patches over a long duration, and it put a name it put a name to my companion Patches does not wake my dogs when I am to lazy to d it,, maybe the interation can be more explained like a parent or older sibling guiding you at wha you are doing.
You may notice it when your attention is suddenly drawn an object for what ever reason. If you take the time to understand the faith of a child and not having to know everything your guardian may calm you guiding you in the assembly process.. Forgive me when I say i enjoy the company of my guardian, when I am trying to understand something I talk to patches, what people see is me talking to my self,, that is there problem.
Allan
You might try calling your guardian "Charlie" or something else it doesn't matter
On Jan 31, 2012 5:50 PM, "archytas" <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Our dog is upstairs sulking because I'm building a flat-pack wardrobe
> in Sue's room instead of letting him drag me round the block. One is
> in need of several 'Patches' in life to cope with dog detritus
> cunningly placed underfoot and the congeries of flat-pack assembly -
> notably one to cope with my temper on these occasions of hazard!
> On Jan 30, 7:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have had both of my knees replaced, I am not complaining as they are
> > what allow me to walk normally, they do come with their share of problems
> > though and they can not take the abuse of a normal healthy knee..
> >
> > This morning I was taking my dog down stairs to go potty, half awake as
> > usual and I over stepped taking three steps at one time. That is not good
> > for me or my artificial knees. The moment before what could have been a
> > serious accident happened I was suddenly brought to being totally
> > alert where I was able to prevent a serious falling accident. I have a
> > Spiritual Guardian whose name is Patches who managed to save my buns from
> > serious injury. Patches is very much part of my life in this physical
> > world, Because of him I know there is order instead of chaos and also there
> > is rank and file.
> >
> > I am very grateful to Patches as he has been my companion though thick an
> > thin. I know he is a very honored guardian, the reason why I prefer not to
> > make public..
> >
> > (NOTE)
> > The occupy movement is required to move to shelters during freezing weather
> > which was to the delight of the Mayor of Den Haag ,, sorry
> > the occupy movement is allowed to be on their site till 10 PM at which time
> > they are required to go to shelters for their safety, The courts have ruled
> > this way and they also ruled that the tents do not have to be removed and
> > when it is safe to return they will to their tents full time.. the
> > emergency shelters are open to all that need them and the homeless are
> > required to go there.. The City is also required to 'post' Police Officers
> > to protect their property and tents while they are in the shelters.
> >
> > It is nice to see protesters dealt with humanly rather than have them beat
> > up at the whim of politicians under the influence of money.
> > Allan
> >
> > --
> > (
> > )
> > |_D Allan
> >
> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.hel\
On Jan 31, 5:40 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If we conjecture that infinite space was always there without a beginning
> and infinite number of universes have been born and died we reach some sort
> of an answer. Just before this universe the energy latent in space
> convulsed and formed a cosmic egg , which by its very nature contained the
> entirety of the universe as a hen is contained in an egg , now the energy
> which created the egg had to be guided by something and to me the answer is
> the cosmic mind. Neil, this is my conjecture , but I like the truth to be
> so.
On Jan 31, 1:30 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Part of human nature is to identify with people, thoughts, ideas
> around us. Being able to witness your identification, and moving
> beyond it is the real treasure.
>
> On Jan 29, 9:10 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Molly your question has my mind running around its dust bins. Most my
> > thoughts are not original but more composites of other ideas. They are like
> > hand me downs,, like the 3D image comes from watching how people search
> > for treasure on sunken vessels, it is rags from a different ?idea?.
>
> > My world is a world of rags in the form of other ideas.
> > Allan
> > On Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM, "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite bone.
>
> > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced As I have
> > > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself a lot..which is
> > > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> > >> On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > >> > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious. I
> > >> > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > >> > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> > >> > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > The paramount paradox.
>
> > >> > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In fact, I
> > >> > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God series
> > >> > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > >> could
> > >> > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read so
> > >> > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > >> > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> > >> > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I consider
> > >> > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and yet
> > >> > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> > >> > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > >> around
> > >> > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something close
> > >> to
> > >> > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real
> > >> time,
> > >> > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time. This
> > >> > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. This may tell us
> > >> > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam
> > >> says,
> > >> > > > > looking within.
>
> > >> > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply explicating
> > >> what
> > >> > > > > > already exists.
>
> > >> > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or needs
> > >> to prove
> > >> > > > > > that it has.
>
> > >> > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > >> oral and
> > >> > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors. One
> > >> also
> > >> > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep communication.
>
> > >> > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > >> because
> > >> > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > >> distain
> > >> > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > >> citizens- it
> > >> > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> > >> > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> > >> > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > >> 'entourage'
> > >> > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike citation more than
> > >> you and
> > >> > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start (to use some
> > >> rough
> > >> > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google the name.
> > >> When I
> > >> > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone who has the
> > >> chance to
> > >> > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably few)
> > >> should
> > >> > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have been
> > >> done
> > >> > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > >> shoulders of
> > >> > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > >> stature).
> > >> > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is a war criminal
> > >> in
> > >> > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never
> > >> produced a
> > >> > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John Brown
> > >> being
> > >> > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > >> 'relativity'
> > >> > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history. The
> > >> chattering
> > >> > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> > >> > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have grown
> > >> in such
> > >> > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what processes do we get an
> > >> > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western propaganda would
> > >> have us
> > >> > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > >> sensible.
> > >> > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us lift our eyes to
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have been first to
> > >> that! (Oscar
> > >> > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > >> that which
> > >> > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth was an
> > >> > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature of
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > > > Earth.
>
> > >> > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. Given our
> > >> capacity to
> > >> > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective
> > >> manner,
> > >> > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.) narrative
> > >> of
> > >> > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of what is reliable
> > >> memory
> > >> > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > >> perhaps
> > >> > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I will always prefer
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > >> pervert into
> > >> > > > > > > its support.
>
> > >> > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I believe its spirit
> > >> concerns a
> > >> > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and animal
> > >> > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > >> easy to
> > >> > > > > > > rule).
>
> > >> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > >> multidimensional mind
> > >> > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this view
> > >> at least as
> > >> > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> > >> > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending up
> > >> at it is
> > >> > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I
> > >> found his view
> > >> > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > >> discourse
> > >> > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is also
> > >> my
> > >> > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights. What
> > >> damned
> > >> > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have to
> > >> give
> > >> > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > >> it's not
> > >> > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> > >> > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There are
> > >> libraries
> > >> > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that I
> > >> wish to put
> > >> > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > >> everyone's, of
> > >> > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > >> search for
> > >> > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > >> fear, free
> > >> > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can take
> > >> away from
> > >> > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and on
> > >> a " home "
> > >> > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > >> house or
> > >> > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes amongst
> > >> us come to
> > >> > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the "
> > >> home " to
> > >> > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and their
> > >> happiness
> > >> > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> > >> > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or
> > >> pet,
> > >> > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their
> > >> emotion-thought-identity where,
> > >> > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > >> thought is
> > >> > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used to
> > >> focus on
> > >> > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > >> delicacies,
> > >> > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > >> purposes and
>
> ...
>
> read more »
On Jan 30, 2:14 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The orderly way our body is formed and works throughout life , the
> effects of food and the environment on it - shows that there is some
> Mind behind it and which by its very name denotes order and not chaos.
> We can see order everywhere and where we don't we will find so in
> times to come as life cannot be explained by human caprice. Neil , the
> spiritual and the material is mixed up and no spiritual activity can
> override its physical or material background. You will still need this
> physical body and brain for all your spiritual controls. And the
> physical , you will admit , is very much controlled by laws of biology
> etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 4:36 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not sure we are that certain of the trajectories of celestial
> > bodies RP. We need fractals even for that. I'm not sure determinism
> > matters as we attempt to understand what is determining us and whether
> > we can exert some other (spiritual) 'control'. It may all be for
> > nothing by such is the nature of the quest.
>
> > On Jan 29, 6:44 pm, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> If you read my posts in continuum you will find that I have been
> >> saying the same thing , although not thus rudely.
>
> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:55 PM, pol.science kid <r.freeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > but sometimes you know .. you say something completely different..
>
> >> > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:51 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> God , Nature , Truth , Reality is unconscious and the Creation which
> >> >> emanates from it has no choice. You may think that you have choice , but
> >> >> whatever you think , feel and do is as certain as the trajectory of the
> >> >> celestial bodies. The entire universe , you included, is bound by laws and
> >> >> everyone is a slave to" Laws", that is , "The Will of God".
>
> >> > --
> >> > EverComing
On Jan 30, 7:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have had both of my knees replaced, I am not complaining as they are
> what allow me to walk normally, they do come with their share of problems
> though and they can not take the abuse of a normal healthy knee..
>
> This morning I was taking my dog down stairs to go potty, half awake as
> usual and I over stepped taking three steps at one time. That is not good
> for me or my artificial knees. The moment before what could have been a
> serious accident happened I was suddenly brought to being totally
> alert where I was able to prevent a serious falling accident. I have a
> Spiritual Guardian whose name is Patches who managed to save my buns from
> serious injury. Patches is very much part of my life in this physical
> world, Because of him I know there is order instead of chaos and also there
> is rank and file.
>
> I am very grateful to Patches as he has been my companion though thick an
> thin. I know he is a very honored guardian, the reason why I prefer not to
> make public..
>
> (NOTE)
> The occupy movement is required to move to shelters during freezing weather
> which was to the delight of the Mayor of Den Haag ,, sorry
> the occupy movement is allowed to be on their site till 10 PM at which time
> they are required to go to shelters for their safety, The courts have ruled
> this way and they also ruled that the tents do not have to be removed and
> when it is safe to return they will to their tents full time.. the
> emergency shelters are open to all that need them and the homeless are
> required to go there.. The City is also required to 'post' Police Officers
> to protect their property and tents while they are in the shelters.
>
> It is nice to see protesters dealt with humanly rather than have them beat
> up at the whim of politicians under the influence of money.
> Allan
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
On Jan 29, 9:10 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Molly your question has my mind running around its dust bins. Most my
> thoughts are not original but more composites of other ideas. They are like
> hand me downs,, like the 3D image comes from watching how people search
> for treasure on sunken vessels, it is rags from a different ?idea?.
>
> My world is a world of rags in the form of other ideas.
> Allan
> On Jan 29, 2012 8:21 PM, "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite bone.
>
> > it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced As I have
> > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself a lot..which is
> > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> > Allan
>
> > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> >> On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> >> > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious. I
> >> > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> >> > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> >> > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > The paramount paradox.
>
> >> > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In fact, I
> >> > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God series
> >> > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> >> could
> >> > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read so
> >> > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> >> > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> >> > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I consider
> >> > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and yet
> >> > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> >> > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> >> around
> >> > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something close
> >> to
> >> > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real
> >> time,
> >> > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time. This
> >> > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. This may tell us
> >> > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam
> >> says,
> >> > > > > looking within.
>
> >> > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply explicating
> >> what
> >> > > > > > already exists.
>
> >> > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or needs
> >> to prove
> >> > > > > > that it has.
>
> >> > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> >> oral and
> >> > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors. One
> >> also
> >> > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep communication.
>
> >> > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> >> because
> >> > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> >> distain
> >> > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> >> citizens- it
> >> > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> >> > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> >> > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> >> 'entourage'
> >> > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike citation more than
> >> you and
> >> > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start (to use some
> >> rough
> >> > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google the name.
> >> When I
> >> > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone who has the
> >> chance to
> >> > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably few)
> >> should
> >> > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have been
> >> done
> >> > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> >> shoulders of
> >> > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> >> stature).
> >> > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is a war criminal
> >> in
> >> > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never
> >> produced a
> >> > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John Brown
> >> being
> >> > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> >> 'relativity'
> >> > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history. The
> >> chattering
> >> > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> >> > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have grown
> >> in such
> >> > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what processes do we get an
> >> > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western propaganda would
> >> have us
> >> > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> >> sensible.
> >> > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us lift our eyes to
> >> the
> >> > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have been first to
> >> that! (Oscar
> >> > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> >> that which
> >> > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth was an
> >> > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature of
> >> the
> >> > > > > > > Earth.
>
> >> > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. Given our
> >> capacity to
> >> > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective
> >> manner,
> >> > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.) narrative
> >> of
> >> > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of what is reliable
> >> memory
> >> > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> >> perhaps
> >> > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I will always prefer
> >> the
> >> > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> >> pervert into
> >> > > > > > > its support.
>
> >> > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I believe its spirit
> >> concerns a
> >> > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and animal
> >> > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> >> easy to
> >> > > > > > > rule).
>
> >> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> >> multidimensional mind
> >> > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this view
> >> at least as
> >> > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> >> > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending up
> >> at it is
> >> > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I
> >> found his view
> >> > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> >> > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> >> discourse
> >> > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is also
> >> my
> >> > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights. What
> >> damned
> >> > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have to
> >> give
> >> > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> >> it's not
> >> > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> >> > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There are
> >> libraries
> >> > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that I
> >> wish to put
> >> > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> >> everyone's, of
> >> > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> >> search for
> >> > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> >> fear, free
> >> > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can take
> >> away from
> >> > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> >> > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and on
> >> a " home "
> >> > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> >> house or
> >> > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes amongst
> >> us come to
> >> > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the "
> >> home " to
> >> > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and their
> >> happiness
> >> > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> >> > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or
> >> pet,
> >> > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their
> >> emotion-thought-identity where,
> >> > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> >> thought is
> >> > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used to
> >> focus on
> >> > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> >> delicacies,
> >> > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> >> purposes and
> >> > > > > > > > what does not.
>
> >> > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance... is
> >> also there
> >> > > > > > > > in our thought and eye, as in it pre-exists and is
> >> consciously or
> >> > > > > > > > subconsciously applied, for the home-objects of our emotion
> >> as well.
> >> > > > > > > > For a lifetime, we carry that pitch to manage, manipulate,
> >> decide and
> >> > > > > > > > deal with what is outside us to acquire the material
> >> home-object in
> >> > > > > > > > our aim ... a domain that, for all practical purposes,
> >> encompasses
> >> > > > > > > > everything. For everything, external and internal, is
> >> outside the
> >> > > > > > > > agency, the ego-person, we are through the pursuit after
> >> our aim.
>
> >> > > > > > > > What is concurrent within,
>
> ...
>
> read more »
Now I try to avoid judgement, yet it is becoming more and more difficult to avoid, along with the economic whoa -
I started this just before one of the wife's appointments and I was in one of my notoris discussions with my self.
Conclusion:
One of the greatest problems today is the ability to make a sound judgement, it seems this ability has eroded away especially in the stock market. I remember when you studied stoc performance over the years in order to make the judgement would the company goup in value or down.. a process that was serious as it cost quite a bit of money to buy the shares and you had to recoup that costs .. this was based off the preformance of a company over a 1, 2, 5, 10, or 15 year period depending on how you were investing ,, whether it was for short term or long term investment,
Today well it is based or so it seems strickly on how much you think a stock will go up over the next two minutes or maximum of ten days.. listening to the stock report on TV I am not an investor,, you watch the fluctuation going wild,, because I work with precious metal,, I remember the news headline report that Gold was over $2,026.oo to be exact Ah I see it went up since I last looked it was $1632. then now it is $1740 it has gone up.. but if I look at the long term market it has lost money,, You can not say something has gone up in value when it has lost money.. worse yet they hid the highest values it was selling for to hide the poor judgement.
People have lost the the ability to make sound judgement and exchanged the standard for one of greed instead.
Allan
We could develop a pill...was reading an essay on developing a
morality pill which the reader comments objected to (NYTimes)- so why
not a thought pill to relieve our struggles? :-)
On Jan 30, 8:16 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hoi Rigsy
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > It's often easier to talk to oneself- either way thoughts go, you
> > win! :-)
>
> That is really not true,, I find hearing what I have to say often
> times clarifies what i want to say and at times find the idea or thought
> full of shit.. but any discussion of philosophy is beneficial
>
> But there well what was it I was saying?
> Allan
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 1:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite bone.
>
> > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced As I have
> > > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself a lot..which
> > is
> > > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > > > > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious.
> > I
> > > > > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > > > > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> > > > > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The paramount paradox.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In
> > fact, I
> > > > > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God
> > series
> > > > > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > > > could
> > > > > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read
> > so
> > > > > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > > > > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> > > > > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I
> > consider
> > > > > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and
> > yet
> > > > > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > > > around
> > > > > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something
> > close
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real
> > time,
> > > > > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time. This
> > > > > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. This may
> > tell us
> > > > > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam
> > says,
> > > > > > > > looking within.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply
> > explicating
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > > already exists.
>
> > > > > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or
> > needs to
> > > > prove
> > > > > > > > > that it has.
>
> > > > > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > > > oral and
> > > > > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors.
> > One
> > > > also
> > > > > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep
> > communication.
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > > > distain
> > > > > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > > > citizens- it
> > > > > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> > > > > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > > > 'entourage'
> > > > > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike citation more
> > than
> > > > you and
> > > > > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start (to use
> > some
> > > > rough
> > > > > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google the name.
> > > > When I
> > > > > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone who has the
> > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably
> > few)
> > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have
> > been
> > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > > > shoulders of
> > > > > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > > > stature).
> > > > > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is a war
> > criminal
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never
> > produced
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John
> > Brown
> > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > > > 'relativity'
> > > > > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history. The
> > > > chattering
> > > > > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have
> > grown in
> > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what processes do we get an
> > > > > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western propaganda
> > would
> > > > have us
> > > > > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > > > sensible.
> > > > > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us lift our eyes
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have been first to
> > that!
> > > > (Oscar
> > > > > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > > > that which
> > > > > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth
> > was an
> > > > > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. Given our
> > > > capacity to
> > > > > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective
> > manner,
> > > > > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.)
> > narrative
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of what is
> > reliable
> > > > memory
> > > > > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > > > perhaps
> > > > > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I will always
> > prefer
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > > > pervert into
> > > > > > > > > > its support.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I believe its spirit
> > > > concerns a
> > > > > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and
> > animal
> > > > > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > > > easy to
> > > > > > > > > > rule).
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > > > multidimensional mind
> > > > > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this
> > view at
> > > > least as
> > > > > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending
> > up
> > > > at it is
> > > > > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I
> > found
> > > > his view
> > > > > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > > > discourse
> > > > > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is
> > also my
> > > > > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights.
> > What
> > > > damned
> > > > > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have
> > to
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > > > it's not
> > > > > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There
> > are
> > > > libraries
> > > > > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that
> > I
> > > > wish to put
> > > > > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > > > everyone's, of
> > > > > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > > > search for
> > > > > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > > > fear, free
> > > > > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can
> > take
> > > > away from
> > > > > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and
> > on a
> > > > " home "
> > > > > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > > > house or
> > > > > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes
> > amongst
> > > > us come to
> > > > > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the "
> > home
> > > > " to
> > > > > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and
> > their
> > > > happiness
> > > > > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or
> > pet,
> > > > > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their
> > emotion-thought-identity
> > > > where,
> > > > > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > > > thought is
> > > > > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used
> > to
> > > > focus on
> > > > > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > > > delicacies,
> > > > > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > > > purposes and
> > > > > > > > > > > what does not.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance...
> > is
> > > > also there
> > > > > > > > > > > in our
>
> ...
>
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>
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It's often easier to talk to oneself- either way thoughts go, you
win! :-)
On Jan 29, 1:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite bone.
>
> it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced As I have
> very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself a lot..which is
> no problem as I am never really alone,.
> Allan
>
>
>
> ...> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> > On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious. I
> > > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> > > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The paramount paradox.
>
> > > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In fact, I
> > > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God series
> > > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > could
> > > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read so
> > > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> > > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I consider
> > > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and yet
> > > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> > > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > around
> > > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something close
> > to
> > > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real time,
> > > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time. This
> > > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. This may tell us
> > > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam says,
> > > > > > looking within.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply explicating
> > what
> > > > > > > already exists.
>
> > > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or needs to
> > prove
> > > > > > > that it has.
>
> > > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > oral and
> > > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors. One
> > also
> > > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep communication.
>
> > > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > because
> > > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > distain
> > > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > citizens- it
> > > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> > > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > 'entourage'
> > > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike citation more than
> > you and
> > > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start (to use some
> > rough
> > > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google the name.
> > When I
> > > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone who has the
> > chance to
> > > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably few)
> > should
> > > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have been
> > done
> > > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > shoulders of
> > > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > stature).
> > > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is a war criminal
> > in
> > > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never produced
> > a
> > > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John Brown
> > being
> > > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > 'relativity'
> > > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history. The
> > chattering
> > > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> > > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have grown in
> > such
> > > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what processes do we get an
> > > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western propaganda would
> > have us
> > > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > sensible.
> > > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us lift our eyes to
> > the
> > > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have been first to that!
> > (Oscar
> > > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > that which
> > > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth was an
> > > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature of
> > the
> > > > > > > > Earth.
>
> > > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. Given our
> > capacity to
> > > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective manner,
> > > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.) narrative
> > of
> > > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of what is reliable
> > memory
> > > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > perhaps
> > > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I will always prefer
> > the
> > > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > pervert into
> > > > > > > > its support.
>
> > > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I believe its spirit
> > concerns a
> > > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and animal
> > > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > easy to
> > > > > > > > rule).
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > multidimensional mind
> > > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this view at
> > least as
> > > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> > > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending up
> > at it is
> > > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I found
> > his view
> > > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> > > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > discourse
> > > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is also my
> > > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights. What
> > damned
> > > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have to
> > give
> > > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > it's not
> > > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> > > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There are
> > libraries
> > > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that I
> > wish to put
> > > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > everyone's, of
> > > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > search for
> > > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > fear, free
> > > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can take
> > away from
> > > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> > > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and on a
> > " home "
> > > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > house or
> > > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes amongst
> > us come to
> > > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the " home
> > " to
> > > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and their
> > happiness
> > > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> > > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or pet,
> > > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their emotion-thought-identity
> > where,
> > > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > thought is
> > > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used to
> > focus on
> > > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > delicacies,
> > > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > purposes and
> > > > > > > > > what does not.
>
> > > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance... is
> > also there
> > > > > > > > > in our thought and eye, as in it pre-exists and is
> > consciously or
> > > > > > > > > subconsciously applied, for the home-objects of our emotion
> > as well.
> > > > > > > > > For a lifetime, we carry that pitch to manage, manipulate,
> > decide and
> > > > > > > > > deal with what is outside us to acquire the material
> > home-object in
> > > > > > > > > our aim ... a domain that, for all practical purposes,
> > encompasses
> > > > > > > > > everything. For everything, external and internal, is
> > outside the
> > > > > > > > > agency, the ego-person, we are through the pursuit after our
> > aim.
>
> > > > > > > > > What is concurrent within, inside of us - the "ego-person,"
> > is a build
> > > > > > > > > up and an intensification of VANITY... which expresses as :
> > " I
> > > > > > > > > possess;" " I win;" " I will acquire;" " I am successful."
> > It is all a
> > > > > > > > > matter of process that is normal to our drive and inevitable
> > to our
> > > > > > > > > search. But, as surely as sure can be, it is Vanity that
> > also blocks
> > > > > > > > > our evolution and progression into the true Home to our
> > emotion -
> > > > > > > > > which is Love, to our thought - which is Silence, to our
> > identity -
> > > > > > > > > which is Zero, and to our spirit - which is Bliss Infinite.
> > Because it
> > > > > > > > > limits us
>
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
On Jan 29, 1:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite bone.
>
> it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced As I have
> very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself a lot..which is
> no problem as I am never really alone,.
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> > On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious. I
> > > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> > > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The paramount paradox.
>
> > > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In fact, I
> > > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God series
> > > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > could
> > > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read so
> > > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> > > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I consider
> > > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and yet
> > > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> > > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > around
> > > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something close
> > to
> > > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real time,
> > > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time. This
> > > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. This may tell us
> > > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam says,
> > > > > > looking within.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply explicating
> > what
> > > > > > > already exists.
>
> > > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or needs to
> > prove
> > > > > > > that it has.
>
> > > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > oral and
> > > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors. One
> > also
> > > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep communication.
>
> > > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > because
> > > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > distain
> > > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > citizens- it
> > > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> > > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > 'entourage'
> > > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike citation more than
> > you and
> > > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start (to use some
> > rough
> > > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google the name.
> > When I
> > > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone who has the
> > chance to
> > > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably few)
> > should
> > > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have been
> > done
> > > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > shoulders of
> > > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > stature).
> > > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is a war criminal
> > in
> > > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never produced
> > a
> > > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John Brown
> > being
> > > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > 'relativity'
> > > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history. The
> > chattering
> > > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> > > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have grown in
> > such
> > > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what processes do we get an
> > > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western propaganda would
> > have us
> > > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > sensible.
> > > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us lift our eyes to
> > the
> > > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have been first to that!
> > (Oscar
> > > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > that which
> > > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth was an
> > > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature of
> > the
> > > > > > > > Earth.
>
> > > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. Given our
> > capacity to
> > > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective manner,
> > > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.) narrative
> > of
> > > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of what is reliable
> > memory
> > > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > perhaps
> > > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I will always prefer
> > the
> > > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > pervert into
> > > > > > > > its support.
>
> > > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I believe its spirit
> > concerns a
> > > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and animal
> > > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > easy to
> > > > > > > > rule).
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > multidimensional mind
> > > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this view at
> > least as
> > > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> > > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending up
> > at it is
> > > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I found
> > his view
> > > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> > > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > discourse
> > > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is also my
> > > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights. What
> > damned
> > > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have to
> > give
> > > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > it's not
> > > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> > > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There are
> > libraries
> > > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that I
> > wish to put
> > > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > everyone's, of
> > > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > search for
> > > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > fear, free
> > > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can take
> > away from
> > > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> > > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and on a
> > " home "
> > > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > house or
> > > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes amongst
> > us come to
> > > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the " home
> > " to
> > > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and their
> > happiness
> > > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> > > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or pet,
> > > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their emotion-thought-identity
> > where,
> > > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > thought is
> > > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used to
> > focus on
> > > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > delicacies,
> > > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > purposes and
> > > > > > > > > what does not.
>
> > > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance... is
> > also there
> > > > > > > > > in our thought and eye, as in it pre-exists and is
> > consciously or
> > > > > > > > > subconsciously applied, for the home-objects of our emotion
> > as well.
> > > > > > > > > For a lifetime, we carry that pitch to manage, manipulate,
> > decide and
> > > > > > > > > deal with what is outside us to acquire the material
> > home-object in
> > > > > > > > > our aim ... a domain that, for all practical purposes,
> > encompasses
> > > > > > > > > everything. For everything, external and internal, is
> > outside the
> > > > > > > > > agency, the ego-person, we are through the pursuit after our
> > aim.
>
> > > > > > > > > What is concurrent within, inside of us - the "ego-person,"
> > is a build
> > > > > > > > > up and an intensification of VANITY... which expresses as :
> > " I
> > > > > > > > > possess;" " I win;" " I will acquire;" " I am successful."
> > It is all a
> > > > > > > > > matter of process that is normal to our drive and inevitable
> > to our
> > > > > > > > > search. But, as surely as sure can be, it is Vanity that
> > also blocks
> > > > > > > > > our evolution and progression into the true Home to our
> > emotion -
> > > > > > > > > which is Love, to our thought - which is Silence, to our
> > identity -
> > > > > > > > > which is Zero, and to our spirit - which is Bliss Infinite.
> > Because it
> > > > > > > > > limits us
>
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