the serious in looking at one's interior conversations. The mind is a
busy place for ideas and judgements. And what role does emotion play-
or health- or dozens of other influences upon the state of one's
thinking? An open mind could get drafty- a closed mind could be a
prison. I suppose the mind is an endless debate of thoughts- I find
this to be healthy and a form of freedom.
We could develop a pill...was reading an essay on developing a
morality pill which the reader comments objected to (NYTimes)- so why
not a thought pill to relieve our struggles? :-)
On Jan 30, 8:16 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hoi Rigsy
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > It's often easier to talk to oneself- either way thoughts go, you
> > win! :-)
>
> That is really not true,, I find hearing what I have to say often
> times clarifies what i want to say and at times find the idea or thought
> full of shit.. but any discussion of philosophy is beneficial
>
> But there well what was it I was saying?
> Allan
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 1:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yeah it is kind of like an old dog sappen on his favorite bone.
>
> > > it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced As I have
> > > very few friends that like discussing God I talk to myself a lot..which
> > is
> > > no problem as I am never really alone,.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Not at all irrelevant. did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > > > > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious.
> > I
> > > > > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > > > > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> > > > > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The paramount paradox.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In
> > fact, I
> > > > > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God
> > series
> > > > > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > > > could
> > > > > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read
> > so
> > > > > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > > > > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> > > > > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I
> > consider
> > > > > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and
> > yet
> > > > > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Do myths disappear? Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > > > around
> > > > > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something
> > close
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real
> > time,
> > > > > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time. This
> > > > > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history. This may
> > tell us
> > > > > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam
> > says,
> > > > > > > > looking within.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply
> > explicating
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > > already exists.
>
> > > > > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or
> > needs to
> > > > prove
> > > > > > > > > that it has.
>
> > > > > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > > > oral and
> > > > > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors.
> > One
> > > > also
> > > > > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep
> > communication.
>
> > > > > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > > > distain
> > > > > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > > > citizens- it
> > > > > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> > > > > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > > > 'entourage'
> > > > > > > > > > of assumptive baggage. I probably dislike citation more
> > than
> > > > you and
> > > > > > > > > > am not the first. Veblen would be a good start (to use
> > some
> > > > rough
> > > > > > > > > > citation). These days, you can at least Google the name.
> > > > When I
> > > > > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library. Anyone who has the
> > > > chance to
> > > > > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably
> > few)
> > > > should
> > > > > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have
> > been
> > > > done
> > > > > > > > > > before. The idea is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > > > shoulders of
> > > > > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > > > stature).
> > > > > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed. Moses is a war
> > criminal
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never
> > produced
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John
> > Brown
> > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > better). Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > > > 'relativity'
> > > > > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history. The
> > > > chattering
> > > > > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have
> > grown in
> > > > such
> > > > > > > > > > culture, or a caste system? By what processes do we get an
> > > > > > > > > > understanding for change from such? Western propaganda
> > would
> > > > have us
> > > > > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > > > sensible.
> > > > > > > > > > We all live in the gutter. Only some of us lift our eyes
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > stars. If only I was smart enough to have been first to
> > that!
> > > > (Oscar
> > > > > > > > > > Wilde) A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > > > that which
> > > > > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth
> > was an
> > > > > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory. Given our
> > > > capacity to
> > > > > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective
> > manner,
> > > > > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.)
> > narrative
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument. Control of what is
> > reliable
> > > > memory
> > > > > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > > > perhaps
> > > > > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity. I will always
> > prefer
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > > > pervert into
> > > > > > > > > > its support.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning. I believe its spirit
> > > > concerns a
> > > > > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and
> > animal
> > > > > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > > > easy to
> > > > > > > > > > rule).
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > > > multidimensional mind
> > > > > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this
> > view at
> > > > least as
> > > > > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending
> > up
> > > > at it is
> > > > > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I
> > found
> > > > his view
> > > > > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > > > discourse
> > > > > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is
> > also my
> > > > > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights.
> > What
> > > > damned
> > > > > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have
> > to
> > > > give
> > > > > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > > > it's not
> > > > > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There
> > are
> > > > libraries
> > > > > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that
> > I
> > > > wish to put
> > > > > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > > > everyone's, of
> > > > > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > > > search for
> > > > > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > > > fear, free
> > > > > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can
> > take
> > > > away from
> > > > > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and
> > on a
> > > > " home "
> > > > > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > > > house or
> > > > > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes
> > amongst
> > > > us come to
> > > > > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the "
> > home
> > > > " to
> > > > > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and
> > their
> > > > happiness
> > > > > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or
> > pet,
> > > > > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their
> > emotion-thought-identity
> > > > where,
> > > > > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > > > thought is
> > > > > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used
> > to
> > > > focus on
> > > > > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > > > delicacies,
> > > > > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > > > purposes and
> > > > > > > > > > > what does not.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance...
> > is
> > > > also there
> > > > > > > > > > > in our
>
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