Re: Mind's Eye Re: Truth & I

hoi Rigsy

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's often easier to talk to oneself- either way thoughts go, you
win! :-)


That is really not true,,  I find hearing what I have to say often times clarifies what i want to say and at times find the idea or thought full of shit..  but any discussion of philosophy is beneficial

But there well what was it I was saying?
Allan
 
On Jan 29, 1:21 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah   it is kind of like an old dog sappen  on his favorite bone.
>
> it is trying to understand others, and what I have experienced  As I have
> very few friends that like discussing God  I talk to myself a lot..which is
> no problem as I am never really alone,.
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not at all irrelevant.  did you have more thoughts about this?
>
> > On Jan 28, 10:19 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Mol&Rigs, listening to you two I've been asking myself why none of
> > > you mentions Jung and his description of the collective unconscious. I
> > > haven't read the Red Book yet, but maybe of of you has and could tell
> > > me why this is irrelevant to what you are discussing.
>
> > > On Jan 27, 2:35 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The paramount paradox.
>
> > > > On Jan 27, 8:21 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes- I've read a lot of Campbell and admire his efforts. In fact, I
> > > > > was going to put the Oriental Mythology of his Masks of God series
> > > > > aside to reread- Indian, Chinese and Japanese chapters. I wish I
> > could
> > > > > keep certain studies on top of my thinking but maybe I have read so
> > > > > much there is a chute to forgetfulness or a pit of scrambled
> > > > > ideas! :-) Oh, dear!
>
> > > > > However, back to your comment about looking back/within. I consider
> > > > > there is impossible split between the spiritual and material and yet
> > > > > that is our struggle to bridge- if possible.
>
> > > > > On Jan 27, 6:32 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Do myths disappear?  Joseph Campbell mapped common human myth
> > around
> > > > > > the word and through time to discover a mechanism something close
> > to
> > > > > > common memory - the expression of the same archetypes in real time,
> > > > > > isolated incidents around the globe and at the same time.  This
> > > > > > phenomena has occurred throughout human history.  This may tell us
> > > > > > that it is not the looking back that is important, but as Vam says,
> > > > > > looking within.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 26, 5:54 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > What is original? I might argue that one is simply explicating
> > what
> > > > > > > already exists.
>
> > > > > > > Each generation assumes it has a distinct character- or needs to
> > prove
> > > > > > > that it has.
>
> > > > > > > Was thinking the reason myths disappear is because they were
> > oral and
> > > > > > > native languages are usually suppressed by the conquerors. One
> > also
> > > > > > > carries family myths- which interfere with deep communication.
>
> > > > > > > Yes- there are terrible inequities- all the more scandalous
> > because
> > > > > > > there really is plenty to go around so the root is greed and
> > distain
> > > > > > > for others. Governments only pretend to care for all its
> > citizens- it
> > > > > > > picks and chooses.
>
> > > > > > > We passed the Gilded Age- I would call this the Tinsel Age.
>
> > > > > > > On Jan 25, 9:45 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I would say, Vam, that you often jump in the water with an
> > 'entourage'
> > > > > > > > of assumptive baggage.  I probably dislike citation more than
> > you and
> > > > > > > > am not the first.  Veblen would be a good start (to use some
> > rough
> > > > > > > > citation).  These days, you can at least Google the name.
> >  When I
> > > > > > > > started it meant a trip to the library.  Anyone who has the
> > chance to
> > > > > > > > read a lot of what's available (this is still remarkably few)
> > should
> > > > > > > > discover most of what they thought their own ideas have been
> > done
> > > > > > > > before.  The idea  is no doubt to try to 'stand on the
> > shoulders of
> > > > > > > > giants' (itself a wisecrack by Newton on Hooke's dwarfish
> > stature).
> > > > > > > > The 'giants' always turn out flawed.  Moses is a war criminal
> > in
> > > > > > > > Numbers 31, the Greeks, for all their argument, never produced
> > a
> > > > > > > > decent one against slavery (the lunatic-religious John Brown
> > being
> > > > > > > > better).  Many, because they don't read enough, attribute
> > 'relativity'
> > > > > > > > to Einstein, but it has a longer and wider history.  The
> > chattering
> > > > > > > > class reinvents the square wheel all over the place.
>
> > > > > > > > What if the best of our system is fascist and we have grown in
> > such
> > > > > > > > culture, or a caste system?  By what processes do we get an
> > > > > > > > understanding for change from such?  Western propaganda would
> > have us
> > > > > > > > believe pouring resources into the gullets of the rich is
> > sensible.
> > > > > > > > We all live in the gutter.  Only some  of us lift our eyes to
> > the
> > > > > > > > stars.  If only I was smart enough to have been first to that!
> > (Oscar
> > > > > > > > Wilde)   A common jibe by academics is that common sense is
> > that which
> > > > > > > > allows us to believe the world is flat - yet flat-earth was an
> > > > > > > > academic construction - one can actually see the curvature of
> > the
> > > > > > > > Earth.
>
> > > > > > > > What we need is reliable collective memory.   Given our
> > capacity  to
> > > > > > > > pervert, citation is usually used in a highly selective manner,
> > > > > > > > usually along with a core academic (religious etc.) narrative
> > of
> > > > > > > > exclusion of competing argument.  Control of what is reliable
> > memory
> > > > > > > > is, of course, just what those in power want to maintain -
> > perhaps
> > > > > > > > through principles of Home and Vanity.  I will always prefer
> > the
> > > > > > > > margins to this, remembering that to oppose tyranny can
> > pervert  into
> > > > > > > > its support.
>
> > > > > > > > Deconstruction is only a beginning.  I believe its spirit
> > concerns a
> > > > > > > > defeat of madness that includes rationalist fantasy and animal
> > > > > > > > consensus (which I sense as grasping, selfish individualism
> > easy to
> > > > > > > > rule).
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 3:26 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >  "Is this not an important part of the dynamic
> > multidimensional mind
> > > > > > > > > Vam, can you find nothing of value with meeting this view at
> > least as
> > > > > > > > > a challenge?"
>
> > > > > > > > > James, starting with God is a bad idea. Perhaps, ending up
> > at it is
> > > > > > > > > what needs to happen. Dawkins was in Jaipur here and I found
> > his view
> > > > > > > > > a lot more balanced, less bigoted and militant.
>
> > > > > > > > > And Neil is right : it must deal with morality. Where his
> > discourse
> > > > > > > > > runs dry is when he is quoting other people ! That is also my
> > > > > > > > > compelling logic against intellectual property rights. What
> > damned
> > > > > > > > > "rights" on knowledge of any kind ? Or, why must we have to
> > give
> > > > > > > > > references, when all we wish to say is ours, with us ? If
> > it's not
> > > > > > > > > ours, for us to say, we should STFU !
>
> > > > > > > > > The formal aspect of Truth or truths is onerous. There are
> > libraries
> > > > > > > > > out there where it goes dry. It is the informal one that I
> > wish to put
> > > > > > > > > across : it is mine... and for that reason should be
> > everyone's, of
> > > > > > > > > everything. And that ( informal aspect ) is... HOME. The
> > search for
> > > > > > > > > that place which is truly ours, where we can rest without
> > fear, free
> > > > > > > > > and fulfilled, which nothing in the whole universe can take
> > away from
> > > > > > > > > us. Truth is our Home.
>
> > > > > > > > > This is no parable I've begun. People are spent for and on a
> > " home "
> > > > > > > > > for themselves. They build, buy, rent one for the body...
> > house or
> > > > > > > > > apartment, car or craft. But then the worst a-holes amongst
> > us come to
> > > > > > > > > believe that home they are so invested on is also the " home
> > " to
> > > > > > > > > their emotion, to their thought, their identity, and their
> > happiness
> > > > > > > > > too ! Well, it is and it definitely isn't.
>
> > > > > > > > > The better ( a-hols ) take on a wife, friend, progeny or pet,
> > > > > > > > > community or cause, to engage their emotion-thought-identity
> > where,
> > > > > > > > > with whom or which, one then feels at home. Of that our
> > thought is
> > > > > > > > > preoccupied... that same ' faculty ' that had been used to
> > focus on
> > > > > > > > > money to buy the home, on the value of food and worth of
> > delicacies,
> > > > > > > > > on the relevance of what is beneficial and serves our
> > purposes and
> > > > > > > > > what does not.
>
> > > > > > > > > That pitch of ' acquisition,' value, worth, relevance... is
> > also there
> > > > > > > > > in our thought and eye, as in it pre-exists and is
> > consciously or
> > > > > > > > > subconsciously applied, for the home-objects of our emotion
> > as well.
> > > > > > > > > For a lifetime, we carry that pitch to manage, manipulate,
> > decide and
> > > > > > > > > deal with what is outside us to acquire the material
> > home-object in
> > > > > > > > > our aim ... a domain that, for all practical purposes,
> > encompasses
> > > > > > > > > everything. For everything, external and internal, is
> > outside the
> > > > > > > > > agency, the ego-person, we are through the pursuit after our
> > aim.
>
> > > > > > > > > What is concurrent within, inside of us - the "ego-person,"
> > is a build
> > > > > > > > > up and an intensification of VANITY... which expresses as :
> > " I
> > > > > > > > > possess;" " I win;" " I will acquire;" " I am successful."
> > It is all a
> > > > > > > > > matter of process that is normal to our drive and inevitable
> > to our
> > > > > > > > > search. But, as surely as sure can be, it is Vanity that
> > also blocks
> > > > > > > > > our evolution and progression into the true Home to our
> > emotion -
> > > > > > > > > which is Love, to our thought - which is Silence, to our
> > identity -
> > > > > > > > > which is Zero, and to our spirit - which is Bliss Infinite.
> > Because it
> > > > > > > > > limits us
>
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