Re: Mind's Eye Beliefs

Hah, that's a humorous way to see it. I haven't delved into the
specifics of the claim but two things stand out to me: that a diet
increasingly reliant upon carbohydrates over protein which our brains
seem to be heavily reliant upon, and how our brains are used in our
cultural environment (not US specific) since the agricultural
revolution. The prefrontal cortex and cognitive development I think
were the precursors to this, it was just a matter of time but I think
the human brain naturally evolved an extremely high intuitive capacity
for social relations, and tribal peoples I think implement that
capacity to a greater degree. In an animist world (natural to
tribal/our ancestors and children) the world is full of these
relations, full of life. If we leave the context of modern society we
see a world with infinite potential for complex interrelationships,
imagine a mind brought into that world with underlying cultural roles
that integrate all those sources of experience. This is not something
easy for us to grasp I think, and is often dismissed.

Not that I'm especially privy to romantic notions like the noble
savage, if I am saying anything it is that we've left something behind
and I think it haunts us, perhaps there is a developmental capacity
that we've skipped when we jumped on board because the two worldviews
are so at odds, as they seem mutually antagonistic for coexistence
purposes if on the point of resource exploitation alone, though
history makes plain what happens to tribal cultures in the path of
industry. Sorry to be so cryptic, it seems that we are missing
something I can't point to. But it becomes clearer if you run the
narrative, our timeline seems terribly skewed, something we should be
working to address. Especially now that our technological innovations
are reaching such maturity that we will be able to redefine the human
condition en masse. Funny, hasn't that always been the promise of
innovation-

Lost my thoughts somewhere.. I didn't know Shaman was a Russian word, neat.


On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope america gets over its shrinking brain syndrome..  some of the peoples
> brain must be the size of a pea right now,,(lol ... Must have been a
> great prophet in my youth who came up with the term pea brain  -- then
> researchers saying it would be several hundred years but that we were headed
> that direction )   ah the prophets of doom  (see i told you so)
>
> Shaman is a russian term term and not and indian term it seem they
> are classified by what and how they serve the tribe.
>
> Yes I agree the US is paying the price for its arrogance (saying that I know
> I am talking about myself too).. I hear that liberty for security..  well I
> think that the US is too blinded by corporate greed and spin to see the
> truth..   and they are being spoon feed little by little losing both their
> liberty and security;;
> Allan
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM, James Lynch <ashkashal@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We are paying dearly for our arrogance Allan, you know what they about
>> those who sacrifice liberty for security. Our scientists are
>> explaining the fact that our brains are shrinking with reassuring
>> statements on progress and efficiency. Just transpose that with Neil's
>> position on those terms and the marching rhythm of our cultural myths
>> stops dead. I believe a Lakota shaman called Lame Deer put it more
>> poetically. There are many things you won't find written, if you
>> consider the purpose of the shaman to the tribe it is no surprise, and
>> I believe explaining it as ignorance is kinda ironic. ;-)
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Native american beliefs are earth based  and a living world  the concept
>> > of
>> > mother earth..  the western based concepts really do not fit any of the
>> > developed western ideas and Ideals.
>> >
>> > Within the beliefs there is great power and energy, I have
>> > some experience with friends but am at a loss as to explain it.   My own
>> > experience most are of both sides I think with only a couple being
>> > clearly
>> > one sided.   Native american  beliefs are really not written down , nor
>> > are
>> > they for sale, so I have been told.
>> > Allan
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Eman Abdulla <emanaphd@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello Allan, I don't know much about native American belief system,
>> >> but I think that constructing our own belief system is an open ended
>> >> process, however, if we don't have a solid frame of reference, our
>> >> minds and passions will take us in so many directions and who's to say
>> >> what is wrong or right. For me, monotheism is a rational conclusion
>> >> for my search for the true faith, supplemented by the multiple
>> >> revelations that humans received throughout history. If I didn't have
>> >> a religion that I saw fit to follow, I would have probably been simply
>> >> a believer in one omniscient and omnipresent God.
>> >>
>> >> On 1/15/12, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Was reading a concept on native american beliefs..
>> >> >
>> >> > it is strange actually it is rereading the material ....   There was
>> >> > a
>> >> > reference to to beliefs being born to the land. For some reason that
>> >> > triggered a lot of thought..  what would happen the native beliefs
>> >> > are
>> >> > correct, and western thought is out of line.  It seems that religions
>> >> > have
>> >> > a whole lot to do with rules and regulations and control of others.
>> >> >
>> >> > Oddly it seems that is a western concept. One I have never known
>> >> > among
>> >> > my
>> >> > native american friends,
>> >> > Allan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >  (
>> >> >   )
>> >> > |_D Allan
>> >> >
>> >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >  (
>> >   )
>> > |_D Allan
>> >
>> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> --
>  (
>   )
> |_D Allan
>
> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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