Re: Mind's Eye Beliefs

Maybe I should have said Mogul or Mongolian.

On Jan 22, 7:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:25 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > No- I was pointing out a small portion of our "conquest". Some
> > religious sects also try to maintain their separateness. I suppose the
> > problem is agreeing on "ideal" human behavior.
>
> > Well Rigsy
> > Re "shaman"- I consider northwestern Russia as Asian and believe the
> > migration theory- but wasn't a witness.
>
> > the Russians from the NW part of Russia  are commonly known as
>
> white Russians and very much part of the White race.  (I can not spell the
> other word).  genetically    it is one of the genetic splits in the
> migratory theory.
> Allan
>
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> > On Jan 21, 8:11 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Are you saying that the European race (americans
> > > including) transferring the insanity  to the native races..  it sounds
> > like
> > > you are having a transference problem with behavior..  trying to fit
> > native
> > > americans into your european mold,,     their standards and ideals are
> > not
> > > european..
>
> > > example giving blankets with small pox contamination  to kill off the
> > > population..  or have a thanks giving feast to murder the local
> > inhabitants
> > > so that you can claim their land  all in the name of the pilgrims god
> > (thou
> > > shall not murder except for indians..   shaman is a northern russian
> > > would,,  coming out of Siberia
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > America was well schooled by Europe for centuries in the arts of war,
> > > > greed and general mayhem and screw-ups.
>
> > > > It's easy to romanticise native peoples until one remembers their
> > > > wars, territory grabs, human sacrifice, slave labor and cannibalism,
> > > > etc. so we're back to the drawing board re human behavior, aren't we?
> > > > I think a major attraction is the simplicity- we think- of native life
> > > > and self-contained tribes.
>
> > > > I found "shaman" to be of Asian origin which makes sense with the
> > > > Northwest Coast Indians. Russia owned AK and along with British and
> > > > American plunders have a sorry history- esp. the killing of seal
> > > > babies so their "ladies" back home would not be weighed down with
> > > > heavier furs.
>
> > > > On Jan 21, 2:50 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I hope america gets over its shrinking brain syndrome..  some of the
> > > > > peoples brain must be the size of a pea right now,,(lol ... Must have
> > > > been
> > > > > a great prophet in my youth who came up with the term pea brain  --
> > then
> > > > > researchers saying it would be several hundred years but that we were
> > > > > headed that direction )   ah the prophets of doom  (see i told you
> > so)
>
> > > > > Shaman is a russian term term and not and indian term it seem they
> > > > > are classified by what and how they serve the tribe.
>
> > > > > Yes I agree the US is paying the price for its arrogance (saying
> > that I
> > > > > know I am talking about myself too).. I hear that liberty for
> > security..
> > > > >  well I think that the US is too blinded by corporate greed and spin
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > the truth..   and they are being spoon feed little by little losing
> > both
> > > > > their liberty and security;;
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:18 AM, James Lynch <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > We are paying dearly for our arrogance Allan, you know what they
> > about
> > > > > > those who sacrifice liberty for security. Our scientists are
> > > > > > explaining the fact that our brains are shrinking with reassuring
> > > > > > statements on progress and efficiency. Just transpose that with
> > Neil's
> > > > > > position on those terms and the marching rhythm of our cultural
> > myths
> > > > > > stops dead. I believe a Lakota shaman called Lame Deer put it more
> > > > > > poetically. There are many things you won't find written, if you
> > > > > > consider the purpose of the shaman to the tribe it is no surprise,
> > and
> > > > > > I believe explaining it as ignorance is kinda ironic. ;-)
>
> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Native american beliefs are earth based  and a living world  the
> > > > concept
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > mother earth..  the western based concepts really do not fit any
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > developed western ideas and Ideals.
>
> > > > > > > Within the beliefs there is great power and energy, I have
> > > > > > > some experience with friends but am at a loss as to explain it.
> >   My
> > > > own
> > > > > > > experience most are of both sides I think with only a couple
> > being
> > > > > > clearly
> > > > > > > one sided.   Native american  beliefs are really not written
> > down ,
> > > > nor
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > they for sale, so I have been told.
> > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Eman Abdulla <
> > emana...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> Hello Allan, I don't know much about native American belief
> > system,
> > > > > > >> but I think that constructing our own belief system is an open
> > ended
> > > > > > >> process, however, if we don't have a solid frame of reference,
> > our
> > > > > > >> minds and passions will take us in so many directions and who's
> > to
> > > > say
> > > > > > >> what is wrong or right. For me, monotheism is a rational
> > conclusion
> > > > > > >> for my search for the true faith, supplemented by the multiple
> > > > > > >> revelations that humans received throughout history. If I didn't
> > > > have
> > > > > > >> a religion that I saw fit to follow, I would have probably been
> > > > simply
> > > > > > >> a believer in one omniscient and omnipresent God.
>
> > > > > > >> On 1/15/12, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Was reading a concept on native american beliefs..
>
> > > > > > >> > it is strange actually it is rereading the material ....
> > There
> > > > was a
> > > > > > >> > reference to to beliefs being born to the land. For some
> > reason
> > > > that
> > > > > > >> > triggered a lot of thought..  what would happen the native
> > > > beliefs are
> > > > > > >> > correct, and western thought is out of line.  It seems that
> > > > religions
> > > > > > >> > have
> > > > > > >> > a whole lot to do with rules and regulations and control of
> > > > others.
>
> > > > > > >> > Oddly it seems that is a western concept. One I have never
> > known
> > > > among
> > > > > > >> > my
> > > > > > >> > native american friends,
> > > > > > >> > Allan
>
> > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > >> >  (
> > > > > > >> >   )
> > > > > > >> > |_D Allan
>
> > > > > > >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >  (
> > > > > > >   )
> > > > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > >   )
> > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > |_D Allan
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> |_D Allan
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