If rational thinking has resulted from the sucessful evolutionary
developement of the biological brain then that is all it is. Certainly
rational thoght would not have developed in (SAY) a fungus in a cave
for it would have no survival advantage. So freewill is nothing more
than an apt evolutionary development.
On Jan 7, 9:03 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> those are just excuses, yes my back ground and experiences are what I use
> for making decision --- that does not bind me, i still have the choice to
> respond as i like
> Allan
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> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 3:33 AM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We are bound by very subtle ties and our ostensible freedom is wrapped
> > in bondage. If we lock up criminals we are bound and if we don't we
> > are still bound. Nature, within our will and that without, binds us.
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> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:01 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Secular myths abound - largely because most of us are early-tuned to
> > > religious ones. I suspect that the idea of social science is one of
> > > them. Peter Winch wrote a small book on the topic in 1960 - I'd guess
> > > he was one of Wittgenstein's students. We mythologise many secular
> > > elements of society - democracy is one, leadership another. Science
> > > becomes one in those thinking it can answer all questions or (as in
> > > Dawkins) is the only important focus. If we have no free will we
> > > should stop locking up criminals. The question on free will is what
> > > life would entail without it and consequent responsibilities denied.
> > > Even Nietzsche insisted having seen the chaos we should make oursleves
> > > works of art.
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> > > On Jan 6, 5:17 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I totally agree with you Molly
> > >> On Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM, "Molly" <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > There is more to life than the realm of cause and effect. Many of us
> > >> > just prefer it there.
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> > >> > On Jan 5, 5:27 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > Free will is a reality.. the problem comes once you made your
> > choice and
> > >> > > the effects of the choice ,, these results appear that you have no
> > >> > > choice,, you just mad it earlier.
> > >> > > Allan
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> > >> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:33 PM, malcymo <malc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > Humanity has always, for some reason, felt the need to support his
> > >> > > > world view with a series of myths commonly termed beliefs in
> > order to,
> > >> > > > in some way, justify its behaviour. We must not, however, believe
> > that
> > >> > > > these myths are always spiritual or mystical in nature. Many are
> > not.
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> > >> > > > The legitimacy of a myth depends on many features. Umberto Eco in
> > his
> > >> > > > excellent tome 'Foucault's Pendulum' quietly draws our attention
> > to
> > >> > > > the requirements needed for the creation of a robust myth and
> > there is
> > >> > > > no doubt that within most religious and philosophical beliefs the
> > >> > > > required elements are found.
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> > >> > > > Secular myths, however, are somewhat harder to pin down. This may
> > be
> > >> > > > because they are founded little more than intuition. They are
> > >> > > > therefore difficult to identify as myths in the first place. Also,
> > >> > > > such myths can often serve a very useful purpose.
>
> > >> > > > Let us take as an example the idea of freewill. The idea is so
> > >> > > > embedded in our psych that most of us believe it to be a reality.
> > Even
> > >> > > > so, an in depth study soon reveals the fragility of the idea. So
> > >> > > > fragile is it that philosophers have argued over the question of
> > >> > > > determinism v free will for generations; time which could have
> > been
> > >> > > > more usefully employed on other ventures. Indeed some eminent
> > >> > > > philosophers believe that free will and determinism can sit
> > >> > > > legitimately together – the so called Such is the nature of a
> > myth.
>
> > >> > > > We can only suppose that such an idea must appear rational to us
> > in
> > >> > > > order to give it legitimacy. After all, our ideas of virtuous
> > >> > > > behaviour, responsibility and justice are founded on the idea of
> > free
> > >> > > > will; that we are responsible for our actions and must accept our
> > >> > > > responsibilities. Yet, there is no doubt that free will defies the
> > >> > > > tenets embodied in modern physics, the idea of cause and effect.
> > It
> > >> > > > seems to be extremely difficult for us to accept that some things
> > just
> > >> > > > are.
>
> > >> > > > I am interested in this dilemma because if we eventually
> > discover, if
> > >> > > > we have not already, that determinism is beyond dispute how
> > should we
> > >> > > > react? How could we possibly recreate our society to live with
> > such a
> > >> > > > 'truth'?
>
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > (
> > >> > > )
> > >> > > |_D Allan
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> > >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> --
> (
> )
> |_D Allan
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