look for ethical behaviour, and if presented with an ethical dilema
get some help from your friends.
On Jan 6, 3:37 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:ie> The answer
I found Neil is to find what I find is true, keep that and dump
> the rest. All religions have some truth and a lot added by man to justify
> their actions.
> Allan
> On Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Religion is speculation - the problems arising for me come at the
> > point of having to profess belief in obvious barking rot in submission
> > to authority. That organised tanernacles of one form or another
> > become corrupt is mirrored in our political systems. Science though
> > is not enough, especially as most people can't do it. There are
> > strong connections between many religious notions of the eternal and
> > science (one can draw a line from Islamic philosophy to Karl Popper's
> > 'world 3' as an example). I don't do religion because the hypocrisy
> > makes me nauseous, but I sense a need for a flow to go with. The
> > intellectual world without this is a very cold and deluded place of
> > rationalisation.
>
> > On Jan 5, 7:43 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > II real am glad you are here ,, we always need a little bit of
> > > islam wisdom inserted. It is good to know that one is not alone in ones
> > > thinking ,, I will have to look further into sufi beliefs..
>
> > > I do think that the beliefs that a person is born into is the foundation
> > of
> > > your spiritual life it is up to the individual soul to expand and grow
> > into
> > > their own unique spirituality, As i am writing this I am visualizing
> > wealth
> > > as a form of spirituality.. the major problem with this form of
> > > spirituality is that physical comforts that are so much part
> > > of wealth spirituality do not part of the normal spiritual world.
>
> > > The problem with most mainstream religions is the fact that they are
> > > unable to evolve and all spirituality must evolve. There is a refusal by
> > > all church leadership to change even when that they are teaching is
> > > incorrect and they know it is incorrect.
>
> > > LOL maybe there will be a spiritual variance known as the 'Zombies'
> > (",)
> > > --- NNOTICE ---- I am not promoting another religion or belief system
> > > there are far to many groups of idiots running around already.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:10 AM, Eman <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I think on some level, we have the same views. The sufis say that '
> > people
> > > > are in a dream state and when they die, they will wake up'. That view
> > seems
> > > > to be in line with your doubts about 'the reality' of human existence
> > but
> > > > at the end of the day, one needs to achieve a balance between the
> > physical
> > > > which is the realm of free will and struggle to achieve goals, and the
> > > > spiritual which keeps the physical beast on check and allows for deeper
> > > > yearnings and aspirations to also be fulfilled. As for the origin of
> > the
> > > > soul, according to Islam, some will say that it is a bit of the Divine
> > and
> > > > it will eventually return to its origin after death, whereas the
> > 'self' or
> > > > the aspect of personal existence responsible for making choices is the
> > part
> > > > of the human that will be subject to questioning, punishments and
> > rewards.
> > > > Others will not make that distinction.
>
> > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> Eman,, the thought track was just looking at an idea, looking at
> > > >> nothing..
>
> > > >> This group has got me looking at differently than I used to but one
> > of
> > > >> the ideas that has evolved is maybe just the opposite..
>
> > > >> On looking at the concept of being reborn ... I do believe there is a
> > > >> spiritual world and I can not help but wonder if our real "normal "
> > Life
> > > >> a realm that we actually spend most of eternity in is the spiritual
> > realm..
> > > >> Both Islam and christianity place great emphasis on life after
> > death or
> > > >> re;birth.
>
> > > >> There are a great deal of things that never made sense to me,, and
> > > >> questions like what is the origin of the soul maybe it is no longer
> > the
> > > >> origin but rather where was the soul before this life .. . . This
> > > >> leaves me wondering if our soul being part of an on going spiritual
> > life is
> > > >> not our true Life and this (world) physical life is a lifer where
> > we are
> > > >> trying to demonstrate our knowledge of the laws of the universe and
> > how to
> > > >> apply them.
>
> > > >> Then when we die (return to our spiritual life) we examine our
> > physical
> > > >> lives and give account of our actions.. (all of them) memories)
>
> > > >> As I look at this idea it would almost seem we are in a zombie state
> > > >> compared to the spiritual life we normally in. I think i jacked my
> > jaws
> > > >> about this a while back it is churning around in what little brain I
> > have
> > > >> left,
> > > >> Allan
>
> > > >> Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Eman Abdulla <emana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Thank you Allan for your welcome. When it comes to hard evidence,
> > you're
> > > >>> right, everything exists only in our heads and it could all be an
> > illusion
> > > >>> or a virtual reality of some sort but we've come to accept what we
> > sense as
> > > >>> a reality existing outside of us. I wonder how we made that leap or
> > whether
> > > >>> we're programmed to be trusting of our senses to that exent since
> > basing
> > > >>> our actions on the senses leads to gratification or escaping pain.
>
> > > >>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >>>> Welcome Eman I hope I have the name right,
>
> > > >>>> I am tending to agree with you, there are to many incidents and wide
> > > >>>> spread similarities.
>
> > > >>>> But as I am writing this that maybe I (we) are all including this
> > > >>>> world are a figment of RP's very furtile brain and when he dies and
> > this
> > > >>>> very creativeness ceases to exist the total universe would cease to
> > exist
> > > >>>> ---- now on the bright side if this is true all of the poverty,
> > hunger,
> > > >>>> will be gone. All the killing going on in the name of power will
> > end..
>
> > > >>>> Hmmm
> > > >>>> Beyond my comprehension or imagitive ability, but if it is true,
> > I as
> > > >>>> part of your collective imagination demand you put an end to it
> > now!!!!
> > > >>>> Imaginary Allan
> > > >>>> Or is that worst nightmare Allan, are you having difficulty
> > deciding
> > > >>>> go to tore local hospital and purchase that excessively costlt
> > treatment,
> > > >>>> doesn't matter as everything ceases to exist
> > > >>>> Then again
> > > >>>> Allan
>
> > > >>>> (What do you expect a 5 in the morning with a storm raging (now cut
> > out
> > > >>>> this storm si I can go to sleep,,--- whoever you are)
>
> > > >> --
> > > >> (
> > > >> )
> > > >> |_D Allan
>
> > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > --
> > > (
> > > )
> > > |_D Allan
>
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