Re: Mind's Eye Re: a glimpse of modern marxism

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On Jan 25, 7:40 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's an old problem- like farming and banking don't mix either. Try
> watching "Sweet Land" for an example- a movie. America has always
> attracted schemers because of its loose social system- bounders could
> re-invent themselves with no class structure to counter.
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> On Jan 24, 7:00 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I think the problem equates to an organised crime skim.
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> > On Jan 24, 7:32 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > the pipe line is not a real loss it goes through a lot of sensitive
> > > habitat..  the loss of it thank the republicans,,  The economic whoa  is
> > > brought on by Reagan..  and the two Bushes,,
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> > > When you blame the destruction caused by three economic tornadoes on the
> > > person and people trying to clear up the economic wreckage ,,,  made more
> > > difficult by people doing everything they can to retain the economic mess
> > > because it is very profitable to them.
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> > > I think the economic bail out money needs to be repaid.. completely
> > > before bonuses and with interest.This bail out money is not and never
> > > should be considered free money. Yes these are the very people who brought
> > > on the present economic crisis.
> > > Allan
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> > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I want to be Eliot Ness!  But that's the problem it wouldn't be me it'd be
> > > > some other bozo with his own agenda and friends and my wants and needs
> > > > would be way down his list if on it at all. This is why I generally support
> > > > less power for government not more. Less power means less money. And visa
> > > > versa.
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> > > > Just read about the IMF predicting Euro Eco Meltdown unless they get more
> > > > money to Spain and Italy RIGHT NOW. More alarmist claptrap or dire actual
> > > > need? Like our friend Kenny, idk. What I do know, or at least think I know,
> > > > is that Spain and Italy fully expect to get their bailout. Like you, Neil,
> > > > I'm bothered that the very rich get bailed out with no consequences for
> > > > their bad investments and bad decisions while, as you note, us
> > > > middle-classers foot the collective bill. I want to see some investment
> > > > bankers lose their shirts. The Solyndra's and MF Global Execs should be
> > > > going to prison but they won't be. They didn't break any laws(apparently)
> > > > just the public's trust.
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> > > > I'd love to bust into their warehouse and shoot the place up with double
> > > > barrel shot-guns and confiscate their houses and boats and jet airplanes
> > > > but at the same time I don't want to give that power to others that might
> > > > want to do the same to my beloved energy companies. Houston energy
> > > > companies. It's a conundrum.
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> > > > Still waiting for my pipeline from Cananda Mr. President... Wondering if
> > > > your speech tomorrow will be about how we're all going to be energy
> > > > independant under your guidance without explaining how your bans on
> > > > domestic drilling while bank rolling drilling in Brazil(???) will help us
> > > > do that. Nah, it's going to be about how it's not your fault. Bush and a
> > > > do-nothing Congress will get all the blame. Wait and see if I'm right. I
> > > > don't think Mr. Obama understands what leadership is. He's very good at
> > > > covering his ass though. Very, very good.
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> > > > dj
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> > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:44 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> If you haven't guessed, I should make it clear I think the modern
> > > >> marxism is very old and hapless.  There are now much more severe and
> > > >> data-based concerns within economics than these clapped out fuddy-
> > > >> duddies can muster.  Obama is about to try and tell the US public that
> > > >> not prosecuting the wealthy over mortgage fraud and using pension
> > > >> money to pay out a bogus settlement is a success.  I doubt we need any
> > > >> "social epistemology" (the current term for marxism) to help us but
> > > >> rather some untouchable cops and new rules on who gets to Capitol Hill
> > > >> or Westminster.  Our problems are moral.
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> > > >> On Jan 23, 4:37 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >http://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n02/slavoj-zizek/the-revolt-of-the-salaried-.
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> > > >> > The above is a link to the London Review of Books.  The argument made
> > > >> > is fairly sound and reminds me how little Marx and rival American
> > > >> > writing on economics of his time have been understood.  It starts with
> > > >> > a bit on Microsoft - for me a classic case in modern economics and the
> > > >> > creation of "rent" - a concept put forward in Marx's time by Henry
> > > >> > George in "Poverty and Progress".  There's a compelling logic in the
> > > >> > argument made most in here will get.  My own view has long been that
> > > >> > the needed arguments don't exist in economics or politics because we
> > > >> > won't face up to them.  "Rent" is key in this, but the real issue is
> > > >> > we cannot free ourselves of ideology because of the comfort it gives
> > > >> > us - a perverse comfort that leads to much obscene discomfort in the
> > > >> > world.
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> > > >> > Most of us think that it's fair for someone to work hard and take what
> > > >> > reward comes.  We like simple dross like this.  It has a compelling
> > > >> > logic as long as we don't examine it too closely.  The problem, of
> > > >> > course, is that our cosy belief in this prevents us looking at what it
> > > >> > produces - rich people with inordinate political and other power over
> > > >> > the lives of others and what constitutes "hard work", "smart work" and
> > > >> > "reward".  We can easily note the compelling logic of modern marxism
> > > >> > rather suits the interests of - gosh - the modern marxist industry.  I
> > > >> > know quite a few who live very easily on what I consider glib
> > > >> > critique.  Habermas sought to establish (as an ideal type) a form of
> > > >> > dialogue with the only interest at work being Reason - but that's
> > > >> > rationalist fantasy.
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> > > >> > The questions we need to address are about bureaucracy and human
> > > >> > nature.  One conundrum is that most of us can see that most
> > > >> > accumulated wealth has not been fairly acquired, but also that handing
> > > >> > over supervision of this to a set of  commissioners is likely to be
> > > >> > worse than leaving things alone - though I don't think  most of us
> > > >> > realise quite what modern reality is.
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> > > --
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> > > |_D Allan
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